REALTALK: THESE YOUNG ARTISTS WANT TO BE ON NAS & JAY-Z LEVEL SO BAD

[Jone2three45]

Sorry,
There is no new room,
In the hip-hop immortal realm,
Of legends.

 

[Rominati]

@StillNotSoft its a lot of old heads doin that though... and then just getting called haters

So its a catch 22

If nikkas dikkride artists dont try and the music sucks

If nikkas offer constructive criticism, artists ignore them or write them off as haters, and the music STILL sucks.

This generation can't take competition or criticism... nikkas think its fair for fans to be on their dikks just for being alive and famous

What the game needs is a new Pac... a new SMARTER 50.... a young nikka with the catalog and credibility to call it like it is regardless of who doesnt wanna hear it. Old nikkas cant do it cause nobody takes them seriously if theyre not dikkriding. Young nobodies cant do it cause people just take their criticisms as jealousy. A young hot nikka is impervious from dismissal.

Nah the game dont needs nikkas like 50. nikkas who run they mouth and always have a opinion on the next nikka. The game needs a revitalized NY style scene with numerous talented MCs who challenge and push one another silently. Kinda like the whole tension and hidden beefs in the 90s in NY with Wu-tang, Biggie n Nas.

 

[10:31]

50 is an unnecessary extreme


50 ruined great careers getting to captivated by the beef image jimmy Iovne created for him. He blackballed the liked of Styles P at his solo careers height and created divisions amongst NY MCs that weren't necessary.

 

[rapbeats]

Good thread.

It's true though, cats lean way too much on "the power of suggestion" these days. Thinkin' that if they can convince you they're great, you'll run with it and they'll become great. As noted, the issue lately has been that cats don't have the catalogues to back all the shyt they talk.

As the OP said, the true greats didn't boast about how dope they were away from the music, they had them albums on deck that would do that for them. I'm seriously convinced that cats know they're not built to be great, so they campaign so heavily to try and force the issue. But you can't fool listeners, that music won't tell the same story.

i agree with you 100%. but i'm about to say something that some folks wont like but know its true, and some of the haters will love this.

i'm a jay stan. BUT one thing i've always hated about him back in the day was how often he begged people to see him as a Great and to see his music as great. he cried about this a lot. i was like dude, shut up and just keep making great music. stop caring about these new yawkers or anyone else. make that music that they cant deny and they will move you up on the list regardless.
now we all know prime jay was better then anyone out today. and thats by far. but this idea of simping for votes is what you see a lot of artist do nowadays. the difference between them and jay is, at least jay had a point when he was crying to us about it. these rappers today dont have any ground to stand on when they are out there begging to be considered GREAT.

 

[rapbeats]

50 is an unnecessary extreme


50 ruined great careers getting to captivated by the beef image jimmy Iovne created for him. He blackballed the liked of Styles P at his solo careers height and created divisions amongst NY MCs that weren't necessary.

no one blackballed styles P. stop it. styles P's solo career was never going to be great. if you think it was you're a delusional lox fan. i liked styles a lot. styles does have bars. but no way on earth was P's solo career going to be great. it wasnt. just like jada's SOLO career is just so so if you're honest with yourself. and when i say SOLO i dont mean him killing a 16 on someone elses song. i'm talking about his own personal albums.

 

[10:31]

no one blackballed styles P. stop it. styles P's solo career was never going to be great. if you think it was you're a delusional lox fan. i liked styles a lot. styles does have bars. but no way on earth was P's solo career going to be great. it wasnt. just like jada's SOLO career is just so so if you're honest with yourself. and when i say SOLO i dont mean him killing a 16 on someone elses song. i'm talking about his own personal albums.

You sound foolish, he had a better debut album that did numbers than allot of these new nikkas I named. He also had allot of people anticipating the follow up which was indeed blackballed by Burlington.

Styles p is a legend

 

[rapbeats]

You sound foolish, he had a better debut album that did numbers than allot of these new nikkas I named. He also had allot of people anticipating the follow up which was indeed blackballed by Burlington.

Styles p is a legend

style's P is a legend via the LOX. and via his ONE hit song.

dont fool yourself or lie on styles.

the lox are legends in their own right as a group.

sure styles is better then these new clowns thats stupid to compare him to these new clowns when he was dropping while there were still heavy hitters dropping records.

you dont need to black ball styles . he was never going to BLOW UP like that. he was never going to be even on the level of his boy Jada. and again Jada's albums are never all that. and he's a bit more recognizable to the masses then P. shoot i might go out on a limb and say styles first album was technically better then jada's first album. didnt matter. minus that HIT song. only lox lovers knew who styles was.

 

[10:31]

His debut album damn near went plat


He had allot of anticipation for Time is Money... The album never surfaced until 2006 and it had been complete since late 04!

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Nah the game dont needs nikkas like 50. nikkas who run they mouth and always have a opinion on the next nikka. The game needs a revitalized NY style scene with numerous talented MCs who challenge and push one another silently. Kinda like the whole tension and hidden beefs in the 90s in NY with Wu-tang, Biggie n Nas.

U right

I just chose 50 cause he was the most recent representative of any kind of aggression in hip hop. He def was too far extreme tho, u right.

But nikkas like this are too friendly the other way.

U aint gotta be angry or beefing with everyone all the time, but on the flip side u dont serve another nikka drinks like a fukking house boy. These nikkas is shoe shine boy status.

 

[blackslash]

U right

I just chose 50 cause he was the most recent representative of any kind of aggression in hip hop. He def was too far extreme tho, u right.

But nikkas like this are too friendly the other way.

U aint gotta be angry or beefing with everyone all the time, but on the flip side u dont serve another nikka drinks like a fukking house boy. These nikkas is shoe shine boy status.

Well thing is.. a Jay is an exception..its not like he's serving his peer

nikka Drake is up on dat 48 Laws of Power..he knows his position

Jay is a God..Thats not his peer

But I do see what ur saying..

But in all honesty.. a nikka like Drake is not even an issue cuz when compared to his peers(Cole, Wale, Kdot, etc)

He be the most cockiest, most confiedent in his own abilities ass nikka out

That nikka Drake sons the past consistently and confidently to where all you thinking bout is right now

These other new nikkaz too busy comparing themselves to motherfckers in the past and trying to be the next (insert older rapper)

That these new nikkaz aint focused on their own legacies...
Or own styles

There are a bunch of other shyt that i can complain about like artists making themselves to accessible through social media, oversaturation(which produces a devaluing of your work from the fans), lack of drive to be #1 in the business, etc etc.

But Ima refrain..cuz there are many elements that have brought us the state of hip hop we have now..

And Im not even mad..I mean I enjoy alot of artists of this era

But this in the grand scheme of things...these rappers are gon needa WWE it up a bit more if they wanna be remembered forreal

 

[Big Boss]

Great thread

 

[Ronnie Lott]

I think many people are simply stuck in the 90s worshipping Jay & Nas. I'm not sayin that both artists aren't great. But its almost like the masses won't "let" a new artist graduate to the level of a Nas or Jay. Many hip hop fans are theoretically stubborn to put any level of greatness on any artist besides Pac,BIG, Jay, Nas, Face.

People continuously hold the comparison of new artists to the perverbial Mt.Rushmore of hip hop (Pac BIG,Nas, Face, Jay). And its simply unfair to hold new artists up to those standards because no artist will ever make a "AEOM," "Reasonable Doubt" "Life After death". "Illmatic/stillmatic" "The diary" etc. Those albums will live in imfamy.

We just have to judge the music that come out and measure it by the current landscape of today. Also 1 thing I hate about hip hop fans is the adherent following and bandwagon shyt that we do. We will only start supportin and gravitate towards an artist when we see the masses are doin it.

I can guarantee you that, if Kendrick dropped "GKMC" independantly on TDE with no major label pushing it, with no Dre and snoop co-sign. Nyggaz would be lookin at the album like Even tho the music and lyrics were dope.

There is so much good hip hop out there today that s omany "hardcore hip hop fans" over look. Simply because XYZ artist doesn't get the big cosign, isn't on a major label or said artists doenst have a million threads, blogs and vlogs about him.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Well thing is.. a Jay is an exception..its not like he's serving his peer

nikka Drake is up on dat 48 Laws of Power..he knows his position

Jay is a God..Thats not his peer

But I do see what ur saying..

But in all honesty.. a nikka like Drake is not even an issue cuz when compared to his peers(Cole, Wale, Kdot, etc)

He be the most cockiest, most confiedent in his own abilities ass nikka out

That nikka Drake sons the past consistently and confidently to where all you thinking bout is right now

These other new nikkaz too busy comparing themselves to motherfckers in the past and trying to be the next (insert older rapper)

That these new nikkaz aint focused on their own legacies...
Or own styles

There are a bunch of other shyt that i can complain about like artists making themselves to accessible through social media, oversaturation(which produces a devaluing of your work from the fans), lack of drive to be #1 in the business, etc etc.

But Ima refrain..cuz there are many elements that have brought us the state of hip hop we have now..

And Im not even mad..I mean I enjoy alot of artists of this era

But this in the grand scheme of things...these rappers are gon needa WWE it up a bit more if they wanna be remembered forreal

U hit a lot of good points brae

Drake had his moments too... like when he said he was gonna listen to IWW for inspiration... or that Aaliyah bullshyt

But for all his simpisms & general corniness, he pretty much does him and doesnt complain. Really what it comes down to is that. U can't be in a cocky bravado driven sport like rap and cry when u dont win. I still blame post Ether Jay for making that shyt acceptable. Nas took all that nikka's Marcy cool w/that battle, he hasnt been the same since

U right too tho... nikkas put themselves out too much... u dont hear about Jay going back and forth with fans on Twitter... or on Twitter period. Jay doesnt do free music... which I kind of hate him for given how weak some of his albums have been... but I cant knock the hustle

In any case... u right. IF nikkas wanna win they gotta learn how to play

 

[Rominati]

Another problem with the game nowadays is these fans wanna be besties with rappers and relate to these nikkas SOOOOo much. Its disgusting , I hear it all the time. Awwwwww man "J.Cole" relates to me sooo much , yooo dawg did you hear that line about him riding the number 2? I ride the number 2 tooo , mannn Tyler The Creator is jus like me


Man fukk that , I like my rappers with out of this world ego's , craziness , bravado , charisma, one of a kind larger than life persona's. Ala 2pac, Biggavell, Camron, Jay-z, B.I.G,DMX,Snoop, Nas etc.


Why the fukk would I wanna listen to a nikka who sounds like he can a member of my crew for?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I think many people are simply stuck in the 90s worshipping Jay & Nas. I'm not sayin that both artists aren't great. But its almost like the masses won't "let" a new artist graduate to the level of a Nas or Jay. Many hip hop fans are theoretically stubborn to put any level of greatness on any artist besides Pac,BIG, Jay, Nas, Face.

People continuously hold the comparison of new artists to the perverbial Mt.Rushmore of hip hop (Pac BIG,Nas, Face, Jay). And its simply unfair to hold new artists up to those standards because no artist will ever make a "AEOM," "Reasonable Doubt" "Life After death". "Illmatic/stillmatic" "The diary" etc. Those albums will live in imfamy.

I mean... there was a time before the Mt Rushmore of hip hop...these nikkas had no blueprint, they had to create their own greatness. Nas still saw Rakim as a gawd but he still made his own lane and surpassed him. I guarantee u there were nikkas in 94 on some 'Nas cool but he aint fukkin with Rakim' bullshyt too. But at the end of the day who has the bigger legacy? Theres nothing holding these kids back from surpassing Jay etc besides their own ability and insecurities.

We just have to judge the music that come out and measure it by the current landscape of today.

Why? If music is good its good. If it sucks it sucks. U dont give bad music a pass because its coming out in a time where everything is subpar. Im not gonna bump J Cole basically out of pity. I got more than enough actual good music to listen to.

Also 1 thing I hate about hip hop fans is the adherent following and bandwagon shyt that we do. We will only start supportin and gravitate towards an artist when we see the masses are doin it.

I mean that is kind of true but nikkas know my top 3 in 2013... and its a strange trio to the point that when I throw the names out nikkas dont wanna hear anything I have to say. U right, hip hop has a conformist herd mentality, when its supposed to be about individuality and bucking the norm

I can guarantee you that, if Kendrick dropped "GKMC" independantly on TDE with no major label pushing it, with no Dre and snoop co-sign. Nyggaz would be lookin at the album like Even tho the music and lyrics were dope.

By this logic nikkas wouldn't have rocked with Section.80 like we did.

There is so much good hip hop out there today that s omany "hardcore hip hop fans" over look. Simply because XYZ artist doesn't get the big cosign, isn't on a major label or said artists doenst have a million threads, blogs and vlogs about him.

Dawg I talked about this at length before. Stop blaming the fans for not being able to find music. Do u know how many blogs there are? Do u know how much free music is out there? U would have to listen to DatPiff every day for the next 30+ years to get through all the music uploaded on it. And people are uploading more than 24 hours of music every day. Thats the real problem. Too much music. Most of it being wack.

And the nikkas at the top dont even care about making good music. Lil Wayne flat out called his last mixtape wack before it came out. He didnt care at all. So while you aren't wrong in that a lot of people are cosign needing weaklings, there are fundamental problems with the hip hop system in both the mainstream and the underground.