Recently read The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel...

[The Real]

It's Frank Miller's proto-Conservative paternalism. They got a strong father figure who told them what to do and they fell in line. That's all street thugs need, after all...

 

[SuikodenII]

Superman bowing down to basically being the 'Murican president lap dog was fukking retarded......

 

[Mr. Negative]

put it in the same category as Watchmen.

Their both 30+ years old. They don't have the impact as they did in 1986 because you've been reading and watching the stuff that was influenced by them as long as you've been messing with the comic medium.

 

[lamont614]

shyt was dope didn't like the art style at first so that's why I never read it end up reading it and loved it

Batman year 100 dope too

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

put it in the same category as Watchmen.

Their both 30+ years old. They don't have the impact as they did in 1986 because you've been reading and watching the stuff that was influenced by them as long as you've been messing with the comic medium.

Watchmen aged considerably better imo.

 

[Shadow]

I wasn't a big fan of it either.

I preferred The Long Halloween, Dark Victory and Year One to it. The Killing Joke too.

The thing is people overhyped it so hard, that's pretty much what killed it for me. I bought it, read it and was like...ehhh. Overhype kills excitement when someone finally sees what was so overhyped, hard for it to live up to the hype.

Joker saying “I’m going to kill everyone in this room” was one of the highlights to me. Simply because how nonchalant it was on a talk show of all places.

 

[Shadow]

The idea of Batman beating Superman is just so to me. I don't care if Batman has access to kryptonite....somehow...even if its on another planet, whatever.

But writers having Batman beat Superman is just funny. I'm a fan of both characters and I know Superman wouldn't even hurt Batman unless he had to but its Superman! The amount of abilities he has...its crazy. He'd destroy Batman easily. Batman wouldn't even be able to land a hand on him.

 

[Woodrow]

the book was an original as in... nothing like that book was made in comics before. So it's a groundbreaking story.

/thread

 

[Kartel13]

Fukk Oliver Queen's hoe ass.

 

[gluvnast]

Y'all generation may under appreciate it, but TDKR was a groundbreaking game changer and the most influential and impacted graphic novel/comic book telling ever made. The way we view and see Batman today all was due to that specific graphic novel. The entire reason there's even a Batman vs. Superman conflict was all originated from that specific graphic novel. The reason we got a homicidal twisted Joker that we know today was due to THAT GRAPHIC NOVEL. You don't understand the influences of virtually every telling and retelling of Batman had due to that novel. The Tim Burton film was directly influenced. We would of had the GOAT cartoon, BTAS had it not been for this graphic novel. It LITERALLY changed the entire TONE of comic books in general. It was THAT groundbreaking.

It's like saying "Criminal Minded" is okay, but dated for today's standard, and dismissing the cultural impact and influence that it has.

 

[KevCo]

Killing joke>>>>>

Not even close, tbh...

 

[MenacingMonk]

That shyt makes zero sense. People who kill babies and gangrape and murder random people are soulless, consciousless psychopaths and don't all en masse turn into superheroes because of a convincing speech from Batman. It's not about just following the strongest top dog. They would have to fundamentally morph their entire character permanently to go from shooting kids and laughing about it to selflessly defending the defenseless against people like how they used to be and never killing them in the process. That's just lazy ass writing.

Over analyze unimportant people in a comic while not realizing criminals can go about their business at a later time brehs.

Y'all generation may under appreciate it, but TDKR was a groundbreaking game changer and the most influential and impacted graphic novel/comic book telling ever made. The way we view and see Batman today all was due to that specific graphic novel. The entire reason there's even a Batman vs. Superman conflict was all originated from that specific graphic novel. The reason we got a homicidal twisted Joker that we know today was due to THAT GRAPHIC NOVEL. You don't understand the influences of virtually every telling and retelling of Batman had due to that novel. The Tim Burton film was directly influenced. We would of had the GOAT cartoon, BTAS had it not been for this graphic novel. It LITERALLY changed the entire TONE of comic books in general. It was THAT groundbreaking.

It's like saying "Criminal Minded" is okay, but dated for today's standard, and dismissing the cultural impact and influence that it has.

I read this shyt 2 years ago and highly enjoyed it. Aside from the art I had no issues with it.

 

[daze23]

Y'all generation may under appreciate it, but TDKR was a groundbreaking game changer and the most influential and impacted graphic novel/comic book telling ever made. The way we view and see Batman today all was due to that specific graphic novel. The entire reason there's even a Batman vs. Superman conflict was all originated from that specific graphic novel. The reason we got a homicidal twisted Joker that we know today was due to THAT GRAPHIC NOVEL. You don't understand the influences of virtually every telling and retelling of Batman had due to that novel. The Tim Burton film was directly influenced. We would of had the GOAT cartoon, BTAS had it not been for this graphic novel. It LITERALLY changed the entire TONE of comic books in general. It was THAT groundbreaking.

It's like saying "Criminal Minded" is okay, but dated for today's standard, and dismissing the cultural impact and influence that it has.

yep, much of the modern incarnation of Batman came from that book

 

[WOAHMYGOODNESS]

Killing joke >>>

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

this one is dope