Recession of 2020? It’s actually a Great Depression

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There's a pattern with recessions/Republicans

Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II

So I don't expect this one to be any different, especially since Trump has even less political experience than any president we've ever had. All the ingredients are there to serve up another recession
 

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Really? The 10Y spiking over 50 bps in 3 weeks was the trajectory we were on before the election? Nothing to do with higher inflation expectations and widening deficits being priced in? I'm not talking about Fed funds here, breh.

:mjlol:

Increased deficits, higher inflation, and the change in the 10 yr rate were on the trajectory and received a bump and accelerated because of trump... Fiscal policy effects they said were impossible to predict because there is no way of knowing what policy gets passed
 

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There's a pattern with recessions/Republicans

Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II

So I don't expect this one to be any different, especially since Trump has even less political experience than any president we've ever had. All the ingredients are there to serve up another recession

The Congress is entirely Republican to boot.

So once you have the tax cuts and the cuts to Medicaid and Medicare... they'll destroy Social Security for good.

It'll be a boom for the 1%

But the big banks are more volatile than 2008, they have more debt, they're even bigger
 

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N1gga, please. You really are only going to judge content cause of a screen shot showing RT? :mjlol:

Don't be a damn sheep.
Yes I am, Comrade :mjpls:

But if Fox News can claim to be fair and balanced, why can't we pretend RT is impartial :francis:
 

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:mjlol: at people already blaming Trump and "supply side economics". If you think raising the tax rate on the wealthy (which, good luck getting them to pay :mjlol:) is the answer, sit down. We're dealing with systemic issues primarily related to the industrial banking complex and its primacy in the American economy. There will be another recession because nothing was done to correct the issues that caused the first one, except that watered down little shyt of a bill called Dodd-Frank. The financial sector is far too centralized. Breaking up the banks and installing proper financial regulations like Glass-Steagall are what would help, not a superficial tax rate hike on the wealthy. And this recession will hit regardless of who won the election. Did y'all even watch the video? :heh:
 

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:mjlol: at people already blaming Trump and "supply side economics". If you think raising the tax rate on the wealthy (which, good luck getting them to pay :mjlol:) is the answer, sit down. We're dealing with systemic issues primarily related to the industrial banking complex and its primacy in the American economy. There will be another recession because nothing was done to correct the issues that caused the first one, except that watered down little shyt of a bill called Dodd-Frank. The financial sector is far too centralized. Breaking up the banks and installing proper financial regulations like Glass-Steagall are what would help, not a superficial tax rate hike on the wealthy. And this recession will hit regardless of who won the election. Did y'all even watch the video? :heh:

You need to sit down and shut the fukk up because you just keep regurgitating talking points.

Supply side economics is why we have had a recession at the late end of every Republican presidency since Reagan.

Centralized banking is an issue but there is no suitable alternative in this era of globalization and interconnected markets.

Breaking up massive financial institutions could stagnate growth for decades.

This is someone who is not a fan of centralized banking, but I recognize there is no suitable alternative.

The most you can do it regulate them.


not a superficial tax rate hike on the wealthy


What the fukk are you talking about? Who are you?

The wealthy are not paying their fair tax rate, yes it should increase. It would certainly put more money into the nations coffers while not throwing the tax burden on people like myself.
 

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You need to sit down and shut the fukk up because you just keep regurgitating talking points.

Supply side economics is why we have had a recession at the late end of every Republican presidency since Reagan.

Centralized banking is an issue but there is no suitable alternative in this era of globalization and interconnected markets.

Breaking up massive financial institutions could stagnate growth for decades.

This is someone who is not a fan of centralized banking, but I recognize there is no suitable alternative.

The most you can do it regulate them.
Bruh, you sound like a frustrated little kid right now.

1. The biggest recession since Reagan was primarily caused by the unnecessary deregulation of a massive industry by a Democratic president. No domestic economic policy pushed and enacted under Bush 41 or Bush 43, even the bad Bush tax cuts, was as bad as what Clinton did. This idiotic "Democrats do the economy better" trope needs to be deaded. No Republican pre-Reagan tried to drop tax rates by 50%, and no Democrat since Reagan has tried to return tax rates to a pre-supply side rate. Reagan increased government spending like mad, and it was Bush 43 that signed into law the the $700 billion government spending initiatives in TARP and the auto bailouts, not Obama. Clinton was a deficit hawk who to this day touts his balanced budget as one of his greatest economic feats. Obama's own stimulus consisted of 1/3 tax cuts and then two years later he signed his own extension of the Bush tax cuts. The point being that the reigning economic ideology, call it whatever you want, is bipartisan. It's not Team Keynesian Democrats vs Team Republican Supply-siders, at least not at the national level. For all intents and purposes, we live in a post-supply side world.

2. Centralized banking isn't just "an issue", it's arguably the biggest factor contributing to the instability of the global economy. We can argue about whether there are suitable alternatives, but don't downplay the large amount of risk inherent in centralization of the financial industry. You're capitulating to crony capitalist reasoning when you say we just have to live with this Sword of Damocles over our heads because "growth could stagnate for decades".

3. Reintroducing Glass-Steagall is a regulatory measure, so I don't know what you're on about. The fact that you consider breaking up the banks and creating meaningful regulations on their activities to be talking points says a lot.

What the fukk are you talking about? Who are you?

The wealthy are not paying their fair tax rate, yes it should increase. It would certainly put more money into the nations coffers while not throwing the tax burden on people like myself.

You have the audacity to say I'm regurgitating talking points when your entire point comes down to "Tax the rich!". It's a fantasy. Listen to my words very carefully: the. rich. do. not. pay. their. allotted. tax. rate. Running on tax hikes as a foundation for some economic resurgence is a campaign prop used to rope in simpletons. Closing loopholes and increasing repatriation incentives are a more meaningful goal that doubling the tax rate so leftists can stroke themselves.

An IRS report indicates that, in 2009, 1,470 individuals earning more than $1,000,000 annually faced a net tax liability of zero or less.[48] Also, in 1998 alone, a total of 94 corporations faced a net liability of less than half the full 35% corporate tax rate and the corporations Lyondell Chemical, Texaco, Chevron, CSX, Tosco, PepsiCo, Owens & Minor, Pfizer, JP Morgan, Saks, Goodyear, Ryder, Enron, Colgate-Palmolive, Worldcom, Eaton, Weyerhaeuser, General Motors, El Paso Energy, Westpoint Stevens, MedPartners, Phillips Petroleum, McKesson and Northrup Grumman all had net negative tax liabilities.[49] Additionally, this phenomenon was widely documented regarding General Electric in early 2011.[50]

Furthermore, a Government Accountability Office study found that, from 1998 to 2005, 55 percent of United States companies paid no federal income taxes during at least one year in a seven-year period it studied.[51][52] A review in 2011 by Citizens for Tax Justice and the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy of companies in the Fortune 500 profitable every year from 2008 through 2010 stated these companies paid an average tax rate of 18.5% and that 30 of these companies actually had a negative income tax due.[53]

Al Jazeera also wrote in 2012 that "Rich individuals and their families have as much as $32 trillion of hidden financial assets in offshore tax havens, representing up to $280bn in lost income tax revenues ... John Christensen of the Tax Justice Network told Al Jazeera that he was shocked by 'the sheer scale of the figures'. ... 'We're talking about very big, well-known brands – HSBC, Citigroup, Bank of America, UBS, Credit Suisse ... and they do it knowing fully well that their clients, more often than not, are evading and avoiding taxes.' Much of this activity, Christensen added, was illegal."[55]

As a result of the tax sheltering, the government responded with Treasury in Treasury Department Circular 230. In 2010, the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 codified the "economic substance" rule of Gregory v. Helvering (1935).[56]

The US Public Interest Research Group said in 2014 that the United States loses roughly $184 billion per year due to corporations such as Pfizer, Microsoft and Citigroup using offshore tax havens to avoid paying US taxes. According to PIRG:

  • Pfizer paid no US income taxes 2010–2012, despite earning $43 billion. The corporation received more than $2 billion in federal tax refunds. In 2013, Pfizer operated 128 subsidiaries in tax havens and had $69 billion offshore which could not be collected by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS);
  • Microsoft maintains five tax haven subsidiaries and held $76.4 billion overseas in 2013, thus saving the corporation $24.4 billion in taxes;
  • Citigroup maintained 21 subsidiaries in tax haven countries in 2013, and kept $43.8 billion in offshore jurisdictions, thus saving the corporation an additional $11.7 billion in taxes.[57]

So go ahead, double the top marginal and corporate rate. Triple it! Good luck getting that money. You're gonna have a lot more CEOs moving to 1 dollar salaries and accelerate the offshoring of $1.5 trillion in cash that the top 50 US companies are already hiding :heh:
 

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1. The biggest recession since Reagan was primarily caused by the unnecessary deregulation of a massive industry by a Democratic president. No domestic economic policy pushed and enacted under Bush 41 or Bush 43, even the bad Bush tax cuts, was as bad as what Clinton did. This idiotic "Democrats do the economy better" trope needs to be deaded. No Republican pre-Reagan tried to drop tax rates by 50%, and no Democrat since Reagan has tried to return tax rates to a pre-supply side rate. Reagan increased government spending like mad, and it was Bush 43 that signed into law the the $700 billion government spending initiatives in TARP and the auto bailouts, not Obama. Clinton was a deficit hawk who to this day touts his balanced budget as one of his greatest economic feats. Obama's own stimulus consisted of 1/3 tax cuts and then two years later he signed his own extension of the Bush tax cuts. The point being that the reigning economic ideology, call it whatever you want, is bipartisan. It's not Team Keynesian Democrats vs Team Republican Supply-siders, at least not at the national level. For all intents and purposes, we live in a post-supply side world.

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What are trying to say here??? What Recession did Clinton trigger? 08? You mean the housing industry? Bush had six years to rectify it instead he sat by and let things get worse.

Talk to the GDP, unemployment and income rates if you are mad at Democrats doing a better job on the economy than Republicans.

2. Centralized banking isn't just "an issue", it's arguably the biggest factor contributing to the instability of the global economy. We can argue about whether there are suitable alternatives, but don't downplay the large amount of risk inherent in centralization of the financial industry. You're capitulating to crony capitalist reasoning when you say we just have to live with this Sword of Damocles over our heads because "growth could stagnate for decades".

So you are basically advocating for localized feudalism

3. Reintroducing Glass-Steagall is a regulatory measure, so I don't know what you're on about. The fact that you consider breaking up the banks and creating meaningful regulations on their activities to be talking points says a lot.

:skip: Its a talking point because it will never be done. Globalism has deaded that.

You have the audacity to say I'm regurgitating talking points when your entire point comes down to "Tax the rich!". It's a fantasy. Listen to my words very carefully: the. rich. do. not. pay. their. allotted. tax. rate. Running on tax hikes as a foundation for some economic resurgence is a campaign prop used to rope in simpletons. Closing loopholes and increasing repatriation incentives are a more meaningful goal that doubling the tax rate so leftists can stroke themselves.



So go ahead, double the top marginal and corporate rate. Triple it! Good luck getting that money. You're gonna have a lot more CEOs moving to 1 dollar salaries and accelerate the offshoring of $1.5 trillion in cash that the top 50 US companies are already hiding :heh:

We have a booming prison industry. Ripe for tax evaders
 

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What are trying to say here??? What Recession did Clinton trigger? 08? You mean the housing industry?
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Bush had six years to rectify it instead he sat by and let things get worse.
So? What does that have to do with the fact that cause was deregulation enacted by a Democratic president? Bush's sins are his own, there's no need to absolve Clinton of his.

Talk to the GDP, unemployment and income rates if you are mad at Democrats doing a better job on the economy than Republicans.
Almost every respected economist acknowledges this is a quirk of history, not some meaningful insight.
Does the economy always do better under Democratic presidents?

Which of course makes sense because the economics practiced by Republicans pre-Reagan is very different from the economics practiced by Republicans post-Reagan. Same goes for Democrats. Also, there are a myriad of factors that play into economic performance, not just the President's party affiliation.

So you are basically advocating for localized feudalism
I'm arguing for decentralization of economic risk. I'm arguing for maybe learning a single lesson from the recession we just came out out.

:skip: Its a talking point because it will never be done. Globalism has deaded that.
The political environment isn't static. We just saw a Trump-influenced Republican platform advocate for a return of Glass-Steagall. The two biggest names on the Democratic side are both advocating for its return. There's momentum here. Wall Street doesn't have a strong base anymore.

We have a booming prison industry. Ripe for tax evaders
Tax evaders being jailed is even less likely than them paying their taxes in the first place :russ:
 
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