Redman talks about being 4,3,2,1 that triggered the Canibus/LL beef

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DMX is the nikka that really set it off high for them tho. He saved Def Jam which they admitted themselves and it seems like they treated him like shyt in the latter part of his career.
I remember an MTV show Lyor said Muddy Waters saved Def Jam. DMX brought that shyt to a whole new level. Nothing like him until 50 came along.
 

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Muddy Waters came out 2 years earlier tho. X came thru and took shyt by storm. And Jay came behind him and sealed the deal.
Yeah I know I think if Muddy Waters didn't go Gold, Def Jam legit would've went defunct. they were losing money at the time.
 

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canibus career is tragic on some rg3, penny hardaway type shyt...i thought he was gonna be the one before that 1st album dropped...
Def. canibus career got ruined by a string of bad decisions.

LL set it off on him tho. L was like the old lion checking the new lion who wanted the pride. Bis never quite recovered.
 

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Foxys album went platinum that same year.

Redman was not Def Jans end all be all in 96/97.
Take it up with Lyor. I think he knows slightly more than you about what saved Def Jam. Just a hunch.

And who said he was their end all be all? Lyor just said he saved them. You have an issue with it, take it up with him.
 

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Take it up with Lyor. I think he knows slightly more than you about what saved Def Jam. Just a hunch.

And who said he was their end all be all? Lyor just said he saved them. You have an issue with it, take it up with him.


Lyor also said Warren Gs 1st album saved Def Jam.

Then later it was X and Jay and Murdr Inc

And those Foxys platinum to Redmans gold numbers dont add up.
 

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:stopitslime:
Foxys album went platinum that same year.

Redman was not Def Jams end all be all in 96/97.

:heh: They've said it on MTV... They said it in The Source, they said it in the XXL Def Jam Anniversary issue.

Not no journalists, Lyor AND Kevin Liles have said Redman saved Def Jam.
 

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LL was arrogant and everyone knows this. An any other circumstance I would disagree with Canibus going at a OG Legend like LL but I think LL needed to get checked here and though "Ripper Stikes Back" was dope it wasn't better than "2nd Round K.O." and the most memorible line from the beef proclamed Biggie the GOAT and LL even know how powerful that line was because he would name his next album that. As for the record, Legendary, everyone went in. I didn't like the Master P verse because it threw off the lyrical vibe of the record but it's still all love because the record classic reguardless:


 

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Take it up with Lyor. I think he knows slightly more than you about what saved Def Jam. Just a hunch.

And who said he was their end all be all? Lyor just said he saved them. You have an issue with it, take it up with him.
:heh: They've said it on MTV... They said it in The Source, they said it in the XXL Def Jam Anniversary issue.

Not no journalists, Lyor AND Kevin Liles have said Redman saved Def Jam.

I heard the same thing. Obviously I heard the same said about Warren Gs album that came a couple years before.

Lyor also said Warren Gs 1st album saved Def Jam.

Then later it was X and Jay and Murdr Inc

And those Foxys platinum to Redmans gold numbers dont add up.

They said it themselves. Bills keep on coming. They all probably kept the lights on at that time.
 
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