Remember when the Coli thought Jabari Parker > Julius Randle?

[Malta]

Motherfukker I'm drowning when Randle's season is better than Parker's. How you continue to deny this is beyond me. Being a shytty 2nd option does not mean you're the better player.

Bucks would be, 100% factually better fukking off if Parker was NOT their 2nd option. If he was their THIRD option, BEHIND Middleton. So keep harping on about Parker being a 2nd option and how that requires more responsibilities as Parker continues to not be a very good 2nd option for his team and they continue to lose games because the mismatches he brings offensively continue to fail to outweigh the consequences of his defense as a 4.


Randle is a better glass crasher, better passer and playmaker, better roll man, and the more efficient scorer.

What is Parker better as? Being the better one on one scorer? That it? Congrats.

Wrong, over the 2nd half of last season Jabari was the 2nd option to Giannis, Middleton was 3rd. When all three are together Middleton is the floor space/secondary creator, Jabari is the attacker/third ballhandler and Giannis is the creator. And if you really want to keep it real, he led them in scoring over that stretch too.


The fact you gonna try and use real +/- now when you literally said this -

for linking that madeup bullshyt of a statistic. ESPN ain't credible.

Just


As for what Bari does better? Being a primary option on offense, protecting the rim? He's a better defender by nearly every metric. Care to explain how opponents shoot a lower percentage at the rim vs Jabari and with him as the primary defender?

 

[KOBE]

Wrong, over the 2nd half of last season Jabari was the 2nd option to Giannis, Middleton was 3rd. When all three are together Middleton is the floor space/secondary creator, Jabari is the attacker/third ballhandler and Giannis is the creator. And if you really want to keep it real, he led them in scoring over that stretch too.

There is one month, one single month, where Parker both shot more and scored more than Middleton: April in which there was a total of 7 games and Middleton missed 3 of them and left the last game with only 8 minutes played. If he had finished that last game even his numbers for that month would have been better. They also lost every game Middleton missed and won 2 of the 3 games he got to fully play.

March:

Parker 17 PPG on 14 shot attempts; Middleton 18.1 on 14.5 shot attempts

February: Parker 17.1 PPG on 14.1 shot attempts Middleton 20.6 PPG on 16.5 shot attempts

Lets keep it real and say you're making shyt up.

The fact you gonna try and use real +/- now when you literally said this -



Just

Show me where I used it in this thread. Quote me on it. Go ahead and I'll have to say you're making more shyt up.

As for what Bari does better? Being a primary option on offense, protecting the rim? He's a better defender by nearly every metric. Care to explain how opponents shoot a lower percentage at the rim vs Jabari and with him as the primary defender?

It means he's not often the primary defender that's protecting the rim, skewing his numbers to make him look better as he's just often not there to actually contest.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This is when you know a post isn't worth responding to. Just completely blind hatred of Randle.

You can't respond to the rest of my post because you now realize how foolish your position looks.

i) How exactly is that blind hatred?
ii) Do you even know that Randle would basically be redundant on the Bucks because his skillset is not too dissimilar to the other bigs on the team - meaning for starters he wouldn't even average a high amount of minutes because the Bucks would need more scoring from the 4 position and not bigs that just crash the glass (don't bring up playmaking either because Giannis/Delly take care of that - he's not handling the ball in the frontcourt when the Bucks use GIannis for that)
iii) To go along with him not playing high minutes to average 8.7 rebounds on the Bucks there's also this problem he'd run into -

Giannis - 8.7 rebounds in 34 minutes
Monroe - 7.3 rebounds in 20 minutes
Henson - 5.4 rebounds in 16 minutes

You're telling me his rebounding average wouldn't drop when he'd be playing less minutes, fighting for rebounds with Henson/Monroe all the while taking a backseat to Giannis who only averages 8.7 rebounds over the course of 34 minutes (you're saying he'll average the exact same amount of rebounds despite not playing nearly the same minutes) when Kidd has him in the role of crashing the glass at the defensive end to initiate the offense?

 

[Gangstar8]

You can't respond to the rest of my post because you now realize how foolish your position looks.

i) How exactly is that blind hatred?
ii) Do you even know that Randle would basically be redundant on the Bucks because his skillset is not too dissimilar to the other bigs on the team - meaning for starters he wouldn't even average a high amount of minutes because the Bucks would need more scoring from the 4 position and not bigs that just crash the glass (don't bring up playmaking either because Giannis/Delly take care of that - he's not handling the ball in the frontcourt when the Bucks use GIannis for that)
iii) To go along with him not playing high minutes to average 8.7 rebounds on the Bucks there's also this problem he'd run into -

Giannis - 8.7 rebounds in 34 minutes
Monroe - 7.3 rebounds in 20 minutes
Henson - 5.4 rebounds in 16 minutes

You're telling me his rebounding average wouldn't drop when he'd be playing less minutes, fighting for rebounds with Henson/Monroe all the while taking a backseat to Giannis who only averages 8.7 rebounds over the course of 34 minutes (you're saying he'll average the exact same amount of rebounds despite not playing nearly the same minutes) when Kidd has him in the role of crashing the glass at the defensive end to initiate the offense?

shameless trolling

 

[Kenny_Powers]

I wonder what #LWO would be arguing if Randle was on the Bucks and Jabari on the Lakers? Would this thread even exist?

Would you be riding Randle's dikk instead of Jabari's?

Let's not speak hypotheticals.

 

[KOBE]

"Randle wouldn't average the same amount of rebounds he does now if he played Parker's role on the Bucks. "

I thought Randle was going to be in Parker's position, so he'd get Parker's minutes and be the 2nd option. Glad you flipped it as "he would get less minutes than he does now and couldn't even rebound the ball anymore because I believe all these other rebounders would take all of the rebounds because I disrespect Randle's rebounding ability because I don't watch Laker games" Gil-hypothetical making the worst arguments in the thread.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Show me where I used it in this thread. Quote me on it. Go ahead and I'll have to say you're making more shyt up.

i) First of all you co-signed @CantStop's RPM post
ii) You then said I took a L from that very post
iii) Then you're in another thread saying this -

for linking that madeup bullshyt of a statistic. ESPN ain't credible.

Why didn't you give @CantStop the for using that "madeup bullshyt of a statistic" instead of dappin his post, co-signing it and saying I took a L because of it?

You shot yourself in the foot with this agenda.

 

[Malta]

There is one month, one single month, where Parker both shot more and scored more than Middleton: April in which there was a total of 7 games and Middleton missed 3 of them and left the last game with only 8 minutes played. If he had finished that last game even his numbers for that month would have been better. They also lost every game Middleton missed and won 2 of the 3 games he got to fully play.

March:

Parker 17 PPG on 14 shot attempts; Middleton 18.1 on 14.5 shot attempts

February: Parker 17.1 PPG on 14.1 shot attempts Middleton 20.6 PPG on 16.5 shot attempts

Lets keep it real and say you're making shyt up.

Middleton on the top, Bari's numbers on the bottom, I clearly made them up.

And if he had played those 3 games he may have scored less than Jabari since he was taking less shots and shooting a lower percentage.

Really a team missing one of it's 3 best players lost some games without him?

Show me where I used it in this thread. Quote me on it. Go ahead and I'll have to say you're making more shyt up.

You on some shyt breh breh?

if you and @jaguar paw wanna bring up bullshyt statistics I'll use them. :kobe3:

It means he's not often the primary defender that's protecting the rim, skewing his numbers to make him look better as he's just often not there to actually contest.

They play the same position, what are you even trying to say here? Jabari is a better defender when it comes to guarding his man or the rim, period.
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[Gil Scott-Heroin]

"Randle wouldn't average the same amount of rebounds he does now if he played Parker's role on the Bucks. Randle wouldn't average the same amount of rebounds he does now if he played Parker's role on the Bucks. "

I thought Randle was going to be in Parker's position, so he'd get Parker's minutes and be the 2nd option. Glad you flipped it as "he would get less minutes than he does now and couldn't even rebound the ball anymore because I believe all these other rebounders would take all of the rebounds because I disrespect Randle's rebounding ability because I don't watch Laker games" Gil-hypothetical making the worst arguments in the thread.

You have the worst reading comprehension in this thread (and that's saying a lot) -

You can't respond to the rest of my post because you now realize how foolish your position looks.

i) How exactly is that blind hatred?
ii) Do you even know that Randle would basically be redundant on the Bucks because his skillset is not too dissimilar to the other bigs on the team - meaning for starters he wouldn't even average a high amount of minutes because the Bucks would need more scoring from the 4 position and not bigs that just crash the glass (don't bring up playmaking either because Giannis/Delly take care of that - he's not handling the ball in the frontcourt when the Bucks use GIannis for that)
iii) To go along with him not playing high minutes to average 8.7 rebounds on the Bucks there's also this problem he'd run into -

Giannis - 8.7 rebounds in 34 minutes
Monroe - 7.3 rebounds in 20 minutes
Henson - 5.4 rebounds in 16 minutes

You're telling me his rebounding average wouldn't drop when he'd be playing less minutes, fighting for rebounds with Henson/Monroe all the while taking a backseat to Giannis who only averages 8.7 rebounds over the course of 34 minutes (you're saying he'll average the exact same amount of rebounds despite not playing nearly the same minutes) when Kidd has him in the role of crashing the glass at the defensive end to initiate the offense?

He wouldn't get the same minutes as Parker because he can't score like Parker. He would NOT average 32 minutes on the Bucks.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Would you be riding Randle's dikk instead of Jabari's?

Let's not speak hypotheticals.

I'd still be arguing that Jabari is better than Randle, no matter which team they're on. This argument started because Lakers fans like to prop their players up over others. I don't start saying x-player is better than y-player simply because he plays on the team I like. Stay on the bench.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

shameless trolling

So are you saying Kidd would have Randle handling the ball in the frontcourt instead of Giannis?

 

[KOBE]

i) First of all you co-signed @CantStop's RPM post

I co-signed? I dapped it because cantstop brings legitimate points to this thread rather than making up hypotheticals.

ii) You then said I took a L from that very post

Actually I said you don't know how to take L's, which is apparent to anyone that keeps up with this thread.

iii) Then you're in another thread saying this -



Why didn't you give @CantStop the for using that "madeup bullshyt of a statistic" instead of dappin his post, co-signing it and saying I took a L because of it?

It was just piling on the statistics that Randle holds over Jabari.

Middleton on the top, Bari's numbers on the bottom, I clearly made them up.

And if he had played those 3 games he may have scored less than Jabari since he was taking less shots and shooting a lower percentage.

My month by month statistics>"post all star break" statistics.

Jabari averaged .1 points more than Middleton while taking .8 more shots. Points per shot attempt favors Middleton, so my point still stands that Middleton is the better 2nd option and Jabari forcing it isn't changing that fact.

Really a team missing one of it's 3 best players lost some games without him?

Remember when Parker got hurt his rookie season and the Bucks made the playoffs?

You on some shyt breh breh?

I never actually onced them in this thread. I said I'd use them and didn't. So nah, you on some shyt.

They play the same position, what are you even trying to say here? Jabari is a better defender when it comes to guarding his man or the rim, period.
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Jabari protects the rim less frequently than Randle was my point. He's not there often enough and if he was his stats would look much worse than they do. Put him out there with Monroe and tell those two to protect the rim like Nance/Randle have to do and they'd be getting blown out by 20 points within 4 minutes.

 

[KOBE]

You have the worst reading comprehension in this thread (and that's saying a lot)


He wouldn't get the same minutes as Parker because he can't score like Parker. He would NOT average 32 minutes on the Bucks.

I have the worst reading comprehension because I quoted you word for word and then after the fact you tried changing what you meant?

This is what you said:

""Randle wouldn't average the same amount of rebounds he does now if he played Parker's role on the Bucks. ""

If he had Parker's role on the Bucks. Not some reduced role with less minutes because some MORE bullshyt HYPOTHETICALS that you keep trying to use as legitimate points. The SAME role is what you said initially and then you tried spinning it.

 

[CantStop]

This thread is basically one side bringing up facts and numbers and another side bringing up hypothetical( bu bu but if Randle was a buck... bu bu but if Middleton was playing the number 2 role..")

"If Julius was a number 2 scorer, he would struggle..."

Well Jabari is a number 2 scorer and he's struggling bad. Like how hard would it be for Randle to miss more than he makes...
Last year I wasn't a fan of advanced stats but new year new me...I love them now

 

[KOBE]

Last year I wasn't a fan of advanced stats but new year new me...I love them now

Really shows growth on your part as a basketball poster when you can change your stance on things when new information comes out and you have a better understanding. If only Jabari fans were this astute and could change their wrong opinion in this debate when we have a new Randle this year.