Remember when the Coli thought Jabari Parker > Julius Randle?

[CantStop]

Hey @CantStop, I see you @ me on the night Randle posted his usual numbers and lost because what he does has really no impact on what the Lakers do. I can explain this very simply since I know you don't watch the Bucks play much, Kidd puts Giannis on the floor with nothing but shooters when Jabari is out. Would they win games if they started Mirza in place of Jabari? Hell no, but he's a nice weapon off the bench. They need Middleton to work as they are supposed, he takes pressure off both of them, less off Giannis because he is a franchise player, more off Jabari because he's not on the same tier as Giannis. Please don't force my hand either, your Giannis slander is getting to be a bit too much.




Wait to post these kinds of things on a night when the Bucks don't blow out the Champs, thanks Canty.

What does Jabari being on the bench and Giannis playing with shooters have to do with Giannis playing worse with Jabari for 22 minutes? If Giannis is always performing better without Jabari for those 12 minutes then what does that say about Jabari? Jabari is playing worse when Giannis is on the bench so I guess Kidd decides to sit those shooters when Giannis sits right? . Blame Kidd, you don't watch games, Middleton is out. Its never Jabari's fault. All this time you called Randle a role player when it was clearly Jabari the true role player and a role player that can't even coexist with the franchise player. You're finished.

 

[CantStop]

"Giannis plays better without Jabari because when Jabari is out he's playing with shooters" ok so how come Jabari plays worse when Giannis is out? "Ummm well Jason Kidd... umm shooters have a pact to sit when Giannis sits.... umm you know just watch the games" @Malta argument

 

[Malta]

Cop-out. Youve always shyt on melo as a player period. Stop with the "option" shyt. Dude scores at an inefficent rate for pf's, doesnt rebound, playmake, or defend.

No, Melo would be a devastating 2nd option which is what I've always said, he's trash as a franchise piece. Pull up the tape where I shyt on Melo, you'll always see the term "franchise player".

What does Jabari being on the bench and Giannis playing with shooters have to do with Giannis playing worse with Jabari for 22 minutes? If Giannis is always performing better without Jabari for those 12 minutes then what does that say about Jabari? Jabari is playing worse when Giannis is on the bench so I guess Kidd decides to sit those shooters when Giannis sits right? . Blame Kidd, you don't watch games, Middleton is out. Its never Jabari's fault. All this time you called Randle a role player when it was clearly Jabari the true role player and a role player that can't even coexist with the franchise player. You're finished.

Show me all the roleplayers in the league scoring 19ppg Jabari and Giannis need middleton, Jabari needs him more.

Your useage of stats is still in the rookie phase, the Bucks 2 best 5 man lineups feature Jabari, their best 4 man combos feature Jabari, their best 3 man combos feature Jabari. Kidd doesn't play the same lineups with Jabari that he does with Giannis, and no Mizra and Jabari typically don't play together because they play the same position

 

[KOBE]

He needs help, his 2nd and 3rd options @KOBE and @Dwight Howard are Eric Snow and Tyrone Hill. He doesn't know how to explain the stats he uses because it's a foreign concept that he rejected all these years until now, just like how @CantStop tries to use PER in this discussion but will not talk about how his favorite player has a lower PER than most of the guys he tries to shyt on

Meanwhile you're 2016 Paul Pierce; should have retired two years ago and never should come off the bench, but you keep trying to make an impact anyways.

 

[Malta]

"Giannis plays better without Jabari because when Jabari is out he's playing with shooters" ok so how come Jabari plays worse when Giannis is out? "Ummm well Jason Kidd... umm shooters have a pact to sit when Giannis sits.... umm you know just watch the games" @Malta argument

You finished or you done?

 

[Malta]

Meanwhile you're 2016 Paul Pierce; should have retired two years ago and never should come off the bench, but you keep trying to make an impact anyways.

The "I know you are, but what am I" spin, no wonder @CantStop has open tryouts for your position.

You don't live up to your name at all

 

[KOBE]

Show me all the roleplayers in the league scoring 19ppg

Zach Lavine, Rudy Gay, Chandler, and even Warren averages 18 PPG.


Fournier averaging 17.6, Gallo 16.8, and Lou Williams 16.8.

Parker shoots more than all these guys too.

 

[Gangstar8]

The "I know you are, but what am I" spin, no wonder @CantStop has open tryouts for your position.

You don't live up to your name at all

sbuht up fukk up cac

 

[Malta]

Zach Lavine, Rudy Gay, Chandler, and even Warren averages 18 PPG.


Fournier averaging 17.6, Gallo 16.8, and Lou Williams 16.8.

Parker shoots more than all these guys too.

You come back with a bunch of guys, some of which lead their team in scoring, or are clearly second/third options, then you also list a bunch of dudes who aren't scoring 18+ppg.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

What does Jabari being on the bench and Giannis playing with shooters have to do with Giannis playing worse with Jabari for 22 minutes?

i) Because Jabari/Giannis are typically playing against starters, whereas Giannis and the second unit are typically playing against second units - the #s would read much differently if Giannis and the second unit were to play heavy minutes against starters
ii) Outside of Jabari/Giannis the starting lineup lacks consistent scorers/shooters to help them gain an advantage on other teams' starting 5s
iii) All of the highest net rating two-man lineups usually consistent of two bench players or one bench player and one starter - never two starters. In fact all of the two man lineups that consist of starters are pretty much all in line with each other
iv) Once Middleton comes back and gets enough reps down, the starters' net ratings will start to go up

If Giannis is always performing better without Jabari for those 12 minutes then what does that say about Jabari?

Giannis isn't necessarily performing better - it's the team that has a higher net rating, because they have better offensive personnel on court while playing against second units/mix of starters. When Giannis is off the court and Jabari is on, the team has a higher net rating than when they're together too. Same applies to all the other starters that play with the second unit v second units.

A starting lineup of:

Delly
Snell
Giannis
Jabari
Plumlee/Henson

simply isn't good enough offensively for them to win games (101 ORTG compared to the bench's 105 ORTG), which is the main reason why their net ratings read like that.

 

[CantStop]

i) Because Jabari/Giannis are typically playing against starters, whereas Giannis and the second unit are typically playing against second units - the #s would read much differently if Giannis and the second unit were to play heavy minutes against starters
ii) Outside of Jabari/Giannis the starting lineup lacks consistent scorers/shooters to help them gain an advantage on other teams' starting 5s
iii) All of the highest net rating two-man lineups usually consistent of two bench players or one bench player and one starter - never two starters. In fact all of the two man lineups that consist of starters are pretty much all in line with each other
iv) Once Middleton comes back and gets enough reps down, the starters' net ratings will start to go up

Giannis isn't necessarily performing better - it's the team that has a higher net rating, because they're playing against second units. When Giannis is off the court and Jabari is on, the team has a higher net rating than when they're together too. Same applies to all the other starters that play with the second unit v second units.

A starting lineup of:

Delly
Snell
Gianni
Jabari
Plumlee/Henson

simply isn't good enough offensively for them to win games (101 ORTG compared to the bench's 105 ORTG), which is the main reason why their net ratings read like that.

"I know my stats I don't need 4 paragraphs for that." Aren't you sharp as a tack, are you some type of basketball fanatic or something? "Well I work overseas so I stay busy but I watch 5 games a night so I can Internet fight"

 

[KOBE]

You come back with a bunch of guys, some of which lead their team in scoring, or are clearly second/third options, then you also list a bunch of dudes who aren't scoring 18+ppg.

Lavine is the third option, Chandler comes off the bench, Warren in the third option, and if you consider Rudy Gay a good 2nd option then you got real low standards(which is already evident with the way you defend Parker).

The only thing Parker has on any of the players I listed is that he shoots more and costs his team more games. A 34 year old Wade is playing as a better 2nd option for Butler than Parker is for Giannis.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Meanwhile you're 2016 Paul Pierce; should have retired two years ago and never should come off the bench, but you keep trying to make an impact anyways.

Let's say for argument's sake that @Malta is 2016 Paul Pierce, how shameful is it that he's outperforming your whole entire squad as a collective? Not just 1v1, but your entire starting 5 and bench. I don't even need to lace them up when I see him in this thread.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

"I know my stats I don't need 4 paragraphs for that." Aren't you sharp as a tack, are you some type of basketball fanatic or something? "Well I work overseas so I stay busy but I watch 5 games a night so I can Internet fight"

My foot on your neck has you resorting to ad hominem once again. You see this here @I.AM.PIFF

 

[Malta]

Lavine is the third option, Chandler comes off the bench, Warren in the third option, and if you consider Rudy Gay a good 2nd option then you got real low standards(which is already evident with the way you defend Parker).

The only thing Parker has on any of the players I listed is that he shoots more and costs his team more games. A 34 year old Wade is playing as a better 2nd option for Butler than Parker is for Giannis.

Chandler leads the Nuggets in scoring, period. LaVine is a 3rd option, Warren is a 3rd option and they're both on worse teams. The Bucks are now at .500 with Jabari as their 2nd option, he is on a better team than everyone you named despite having less talent on their roster than some of those same teams.

So, if he were as bad as you try to say, wouldn't their record be worse? Which is it.....cause yall tried to use record earlier in the thread.