Replace Kobe with Lebron what's the lakers record?

[VegetasHairline]

Lakers when Kobe scores 30

97-98: 1-1
98-99: 2-0
99-00: 8-0
00-01: 20-10
01-02: 13-5
02-03: 30-12
03-04: 15-4
04-05: 15-15
05-06: 33-23
06-07: 21-17

Last 5 years

2012 17-7(70%)
2011 17-6(73%)
2010 19-10(65%)
2009 21-6(77%)
2008 25-11(69%)

Regular Season Career: 259-137
.654 W-L%

Playoff Career: 57-31
.648 W-L%

Your numbers are breh. The Lakers only have 15 wins this season.

 

[Da_Eggman]

this thread and nikkaz hyping up the 08,09,10 lakers like usual

Bean always for the most part played the same way aside from in the part he was more athletic and much better defensively, especially help defense. The team is just crap right now, most of these games(like the clipper one on Friday) would be blowouts if not for his scoring so I really don't see why he's being criticized. Then you got nikkaz using the W/L for the 30 points scored but don't realize LA has always throughout Kobe's career won the majority of his games when scoring 30. This year is just an anomaly

Lakers when Kobe scores 30

97-98: 1-1
98-99: 2-0
99-00: 8-0
00-01: 20-10
01-02: 13-5
02-03: 30-12
03-04: 15-4
04-05: 15-15
05-06: 33-23
06-07: 21-17

Last 5 years

2012 17-7(70%)
2011 17-6(73%)
2010 19-10(65%)
2009 21-6(77%)
2008 25-11(69%)

Regular Season Career: 259-137
.654 W-L%

Playoff Career: 57-31
.648 W-L%

This season, the Lakers (12-14) are just 4-11 when Bryant takes 20 or more shots in a game. Yet, they are 8-3 when he shoots less than 20 times. And it's not necessarily because of the opposition.

With Bryant attempting fewer than 20 shots, the Lakers have beaten the Dallas Mavericks, Denver Nuggets, Golden State Warriors, Houston Rockets and Brooklyn Nets, all of whom have better records than the Lakers. The four teams Los Angeles has beaten with Kobe shooting 20 or more times? The bottom-dwelling Phoenix Suns, Washington Wizards, Philadelphia 76ers and Charlotte Bobcats, who have a combined record of 32-64 (.333). The eight teams the Lakers have beaten with Bryant taking less than 20 shots have a slightly better combined record of 87-112 (.437).

Last season, the Lakers were 26-19 when Bryant took 20 or more shots. That's a .578 winning percentage. Not bad. But they were 10-3 in the other games, a winning percentage of .769. In 2010-11, Phil Jackson's last season, the Lakers were 24-17 (.585) when Bryant shot 20 or more times and 33-8 (.805) when he took fewer shots.

So over the past three seasons, including 2012-13, the Lakers are 54-47 when Bryant shoots 20 times or more. To put it in perspective, that .535 winning percentage equates to a 44-38 record over 82 games. Over that same span, when Bryant takes less than 20 shots, the Lakers are 51-14 (.785), which would be a 64-18 mark in an 82-game season.

It seems pretty clear cut: the Lakers are better, and would be better this season, if Bryant shot less. At least that's what the statistics say.

 

[Gold Chain]

at least playoff bound lmao

 

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

they'd be 20-11 give or take

 

[Marvel]

So ur saying the problem is Kobe's age not his style of play that is hurting the lakers?

The Kobe stans wont admit the impact that LeBron's leadership and passing ability has on the confidence and performance of his teammates. Kobe is not a real leader and spends more time criticizing his teammates than helping them. When Wade was struggling against the Pacers, it was LeBron that got him going again. Every player needs that encouragement even great ones. Kobe would have threw Wade in the bushes and told him to "put his big boy pants on" through the media. You don't do that shyt when you are a leader. Kobe kills the confidence of his teammates. They start doubting themselves more but still believe in him. That is not how a team works. LeBron had a broken down Mike Miller still believing in himself.

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[William Bassington]

you have to be the worst laker/kobe stan in here breh.


As a lakers fan if you cant admit that the way kobe is playing right now is hurting the team(even if, individually he puts up great numbers) then you're delusional.


And hell yeah, Kobe is my fav player right now but i'd swapped him with LeBron in a heartbeat.

The flow on offense would be so much better

We're talking about the same nikka that made Mo williams play like an all star

well call me delusional...but ive watched every game but 1, and from what ive seen Kobe scoring an efficient 30ppg game has only benefitted the squad..I mean its amazing how people find away to blame Kobe, when Pau is playing as poor as he is, Dwight is nowhere near 100% getting stripped every other possession, and our coach employing a system that doesnt fit the pieces...and somehow Kobe, our ONLY consistent scorer is holding the team back...yep, call me delusional and ill call you just a subject of ESPN and causal sports fan sensationalism sonds fair to me

 

[William Bassington]

The Kobe stans wont admit the impact that LeBron's leadership and passing ability has on the confidence and performance of his teammates. Kobe is not a real leader and spends more time criticizing his teammates than helping them. When Wade was struggling against the Pacers, it was LeBron that got him going again. Every player needs that encouragement even great ones. Kobe would have threw Wade in the bushes and told him to "put his big boy pants on" through the media. You don't do that shyt when you are a leader. Kobe kills the confidence of his teammates. They start doubting themselves more but still believe in him. That is not how a team works. LeBron had a broken down Mike Miller still believing in himself.

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Again, Kobe has 5 rings...im sure he knows how to lead a team

especially considering the chemistry of the Lamar and Pau squad

all that said, chemistry is not needed to be a successful team...look at Kobe and Shaq, more dominant than ANY team LeBron led, and didnt have half the chemistry

 

[RedBull]

My ONLY problem with Kobe in this fiasco is that he can fix the problem Dwight has, let's see if he does.

 

[havoc]

The king took a shytty Cavs team to the finals, Kobe couldn't even take a team with Odom and Bynum to the finals

Lebron is the best player in the NBA but we don't need to take a dumb on Kobe with irrational statements. You put the Cavs that went to the finals in the West--they won't be successful. The East was weak at the time Lebron carried his squad to the Finals. Beside Odom, Kobe didn't have any other quality role player that can complement his game. Dude was playing with Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Bynum who was missing a lot of games due to injuries. No superstar would have gone far with the Lakers' 2006-07 roster in the Western conference.

 

[FTBS]

Again, Kobe has 5 rings...im sure he knows how to lead a team

especially considering the chemistry of the Lamar and Pau squad

all that said, chemistry is not needed to be a successful team...look at Kobe and Shaq, more dominant than ANY team LeBron led, and didnt have half the chemistry

So why isnt' he leading them this year? I love how people point to Kobe's 5 rings as representation or proof of his individual greatness but then put the down years on everybody and everything else.

This squad has more talent on it than any of the squads Kobe won a ring with and he's shooting his highest percentage ever so why are they sub .500? I'm sure you will list a litany of in depth reasons (that have nothing to do with Kobe of course ) for why they are and I'm sure none of them will be as simple as "Kobe's got 5 rings". It's funny how the explanation for the Lakers rings are always so much simpler and to the point and always include Kobe while the explanations for the down years are always so in-depth and never mention Kobe.

 

[FTBS]

Lebron is the best player in the NBA but we don't need to take a dumb on Kobe with irrational statements. You put the Cavs that went to the finals in the West--they won't be successful. The East was weak at the time Lebron carried his squad to the Finals. Beside Odom, Kobe didn't have any other quality role player that can complement his game. Dude was playing with Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, and Bynum who was missing a lot of games due to injuries. No superstar would have gone far with the Lakers' 2006-07 roster in the Western conference.

And conversely no superstar, including Kobe, would have won a ring with the squad Bron had in Cleveland and yet people still shytted on him for not getting a ring there. Nothing is dumber or more irrational than using rings to judge individual players in team sports and totally ignoring circumstances. People only seem to understand this when it's there guy in the fukked up circumstance though.

 

[DeVanteSwing]

So lebron would make the jamison, meeks hit open shots consistently which they have not done this season? Lebron would help dwight's garbage post up and back to the basket game? Lebron would help pau not be a bytch everywhere on the court?

LMAO, joke thread is a joke and so is the OP.

LeBron would build chemistry, Dwight will be happy to go to work everyday.

 

[the cac mamba]

bron and dwight

 

[Versa]

I only read up to page 2 but I can't believe nikkas are actually buying into calling Ron Artest "Metta World Peace"

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Looking at this year's Estimated Wins Added...the three best players in the league are:

Lebron 11.7
Durant 11.0
Kobe 9.5

This idea that kobe is some kind of determent to the lakers is one of the idiotic narratives i've ever seen possibly imaginable...Kobe's playing at an absolute insane elite level this year..you replace him with one of the two better players this year, and the records improve marginally at best...the 2.2 estimated win difference between bron and kobe is projected over an full 82 game season...adjust that for the games they've played thus far, and it's an added .83171 wins up to this point with Bron there instead of Kobe...I'll round that up to 1 full game, and add another game just for the fukk of it and say the lakers are maybe 17-17 right now with Lebron...the problems with this team are real...and they don't just magically work themselves out with lebron there...Nash still misses most of the early part of the season and chris duhon and darius morris is your pg rotation for most of the seasons...Pau is still the same pathetic ass pau that he is now...dwight is still less than 100% and nowhere near the Dwight he was before the back surgery...the bench is still non-existent...whatever boost defensively we get on the wing from swapping artest/kobe at the 3 for lebron is offset with a fulltime Nash/Jodie Meeks backcourt...the biggest difference would be if lebron was there, people would correctly see the deficiencies of the team, instead of trying bizarrely blame it on his excellent play like they're doing with kobe's 30 5 5 on .600 TS% this year