It does sis..when u own something u care about it more because ur its ur baby....when u don't own it u don't give a shyt about it....Co-op are great and I wish more ppl thought along those lines...That's how the jews got a strangehold on property in well sought out areas in NY...Ownership is a different feeling.....
Representation wouldnt matter as much if we had more ownership.......
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WaveCapsByOscorp™
2021 Grammy Award Winner
They can work hand in hand, you know. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. It’s best to discover the relationship between them and how they influence each other than to talk one down as if they exist independently of each other.
Are you doing any of this personally? Or just another Coli poster preaching for daps.Guns : Ownership
Butta : Representation
Didn't want to make this thread but ppl doing too much man.....Great.... ur son or daughter can see themselves as a superhero.....now what? Are you exposing them to other things that will help them in the real world like math and sciences or are you content with these pyrrhic victories being spoon fed to u? Are you teaching them about money management, different types of bank accounts, how to support black owned businesses? IF not ur full of shyt and they in turn will grow up to be full of shyt and the cycle will continue...I get it...a non stereotypical depiction of black ppl with a major budget behind it...86 all this other extra shyt tho...unless u just like jaw jacking to feel good...
Guns : Ownership
Butta : Representation
Didn't want to make this thread but ppl doing too much man.....Great.... ur son or daughter can see themselves as a superhero.....now what? Are you exposing them to other things that will help them in the real world like math and sciences or are you content with these pyrrhic victories being spoon fed to u? Are you teaching them about money management, different types of bank accounts, how to support black owned businesses? IF not ur full of shyt and they in turn will grow up to be full of shyt and the cycle will continue...I get it...a non stereotypical depiction of black ppl with a major budget behind it...86 all this other extra shyt tho...unless u just like jaw jacking to feel good...
Representation and socio-economics ain't linked but the dumbest of you keep trying to make that connection. You could be the richest man in the world and still give a damn about how you're represented in global media. Black people are not wrong for supporting positive representation.
If you got kids and they're in public school - in an education system run by whites, you ain't doing none of this stuff either. In fact, you've put them in an educational institution that encourages them to become employees, consume/spend and go into debt...but ok, keep thinking you're somehow smarter than everyone cause you can repeat the same tired "Are you..?" questions every other idiot who is trying to down the movie is doing.
Y'all up in arms about black panther, typing on a computer likely purchased from a white man, in a white owned business who got his inventory from a white man who purchased his parts from another white man....you probably have shelves filled with Madden NFL, NBA 2k and know The Godfather, Scarface, Rocky and Rambo by heart. You likely own at-least one Basketball jersey of a team owned by a white man and whom you probably bought online from another white man, and a pair of Nikes you desperately trying not to crease from, wait for it, another white man...none of that is contributing to black economic growth, black empowerment or the black community, and yet, we don't have a million threads about why owning/supporting/seeing any of this stuff is 'lame/dumb/stupid/pathetic" now do we?
Y'all are tired.
Your son watching the NFL on sunday...he can see himself as a quaterback? Now what?
He's not talking down on it.
He's saying right now we put more emphasis on representation than ownership. A few brehs on here don't, but overall as a collective, we do.
We need to focus on ownership first. More ownership would help a lot of our problems. It wouldn't completely solve them all but it would definitely HELP.
If we put more emphasis on ownership (in all areas not just entertainment), then we wouldn't care so much about "not being represented enough" in white/non black owned things. We'd have more CONTROL over our "representation" because we'd actually OWN shyt.
You can't really call the shots on how you're treated or represented unless you OWN it. Right now we complain (or celebrate depending on if we like it) about representation in non-black owned things. If we owned more of our own things, we could control our narrative and money more.
I'm not even going to take most of the objections to my post seriously because i know for a fact most of the "brehs" who are against what i'm saying have absolutely no plans to work for anyone other than a white man. They love White Daddy and are going to work for him until they're old and feeble.
Aba_juggin
Pro
I've never heard people saying we need more black barbershops
I don't care what anyone says, the Jews are smart. They work together. I did an inspection on this multi-family unit (2 one bed room apartments) and it was apart of a portfolio that these two Jewish couples owned. They had a decent amount of multi-family units too. Imagine if we bought condo's or co-ops with tax returns instead of Jordans.
We need to own the building the business is in. Doesn't matter what black owned business goes there.
Was thinking similarly earlier after reading about the Jamaican women's bobsled team's ordeal.
For those not in the know, aside from the Cool Runnings flick from some years ago, the women also compete and have a squad at this year's Winter games. Their coach, a German woman, for whatever reason was demoted from head driving coach to track performance analyst. Needless to say she wasn't too happy and decided to quit entirely, but here's the kicker. The $50,000 (yeah 50 racks) sled that the Jamaican team was using was leased by her, was in her name, making her legally and financially responsible for it. So when she quit, the sled went with her. Only if the team would pay her for the sled would she allow them to use it. So they team was temporarily without a sled until Red Stripe stepped in and financed a sled for them.
To me, that's as illustrative as it gets about ownership vs representation.
Women's Jamaican Bobsled team = represented at Olympics
Original sled = leased by a German woman until she got pissed and left and took the bobsled with her
New sled = fronted by Red Stripe
The irony of Red Stripe is although it's widely known as a Jamaican lager, here are the two men who started it.
It was eventually purchased by a company in London and now owned by the Dutch company we're familiar with, Heineken.
Think about that, the land that produced iconic music, iconic foods and drink, an iconic culture, and renowned figures such as Garvey and Bolt, has it's women representing at the Winter Games in 2018 for bobsledding. And their country couldn't even front them a sled.
This is textbook "representation", but not true ownership. And as I pointed out it's not just current, but a history of a lack of ownership.
For those not in the know, aside from the Cool Runnings flick from some years ago, the women also compete and have a squad at this year's Winter games. Their coach, a German woman, for whatever reason was demoted from head driving coach to track performance analyst. Needless to say she wasn't too happy and decided to quit entirely, but here's the kicker. The $50,000 (yeah 50 racks) sled that the Jamaican team was using was leased by her, was in her name, making her legally and financially responsible for it. So when she quit, the sled went with her. Only if the team would pay her for the sled would she allow them to use it. So they team was temporarily without a sled until Red Stripe stepped in and financed a sled for them.
To me, that's as illustrative as it gets about ownership vs representation.
Women's Jamaican Bobsled team = represented at Olympics
Original sled = leased by a German woman until she got pissed and left and took the bobsled with her
New sled = fronted by Red Stripe
The irony of Red Stripe is although it's widely known as a Jamaican lager, here are the two men who started it.
It was eventually purchased by a company in London and now owned by the Dutch company we're familiar with, Heineken.
Think about that, the land that produced iconic music, iconic foods and drink, an iconic culture, and renowned figures such as Garvey and Bolt, has it's women representing at the Winter Games in 2018 for bobsledding. And their country couldn't even front them a sled.
This is textbook "representation", but not true ownership. And as I pointed out it's not just current, but a history of a lack of ownership.
Henri Christophe
Son Of Afrika
When you own and control the entire operation, you don't worry about representation because you're the one in charge of making those decisions anyway.
Black folks jump for joy when bossed up cacs throw us a crumb because were so used to never having shyt.... Never having power. ... Never having a say in big decisions... We live our entire lives being managed in a cage and whenever the cage owner lets us run free for few minutes.... We celebrate like a bunch of c00ns.
Anyways.
Stack your paper.
Black folks jump for joy when bossed up cacs throw us a crumb because were so used to never having shyt.... Never having power. ... Never having a say in big decisions... We live our entire lives being managed in a cage and whenever the cage owner lets us run free for few minutes.... We celebrate like a bunch of c00ns.
Anyways.
Stack your paper.
Any nikka seriously going around saying that blacks don't need more ownership (in all areas, not just entertainment, but in general) is an idiot. Blacks needing more ownership is not even debatable. I no longer waste time arguing with these bums about facts. nikkas want to act like this is still 2001, nikka it's 2018. Get with the program. nikkas still logging onto websites to argue against ownership in 2018. 
Absolutely no logic. When grown men are doing this, what state do you think the black community will be in 40 years from now? Do you really see it progressing or regressing?
If you're still whining about your cac boss and managers, "representation" or portrayal in non black owned things, etc but don't want to do anything about it, you're a clown who should be ignored.
Absolutely no logic. When grown men are doing this, what state do you think the black community will be in 40 years from now? Do you really see it progressing or regressing? If you're still whining about your cac boss and managers, "representation" or portrayal in non black owned things, etc but don't want to do anything about it, you're a clown who should be ignored.
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WaveCapsByOscorp™
2021 Grammy Award Winner
All I’m saying is both work hand in hand. To say we need to do more of this or something is such a tired approach...that’s more like someone’s personal flavor or idea ATM versus how things work between everyone...
yeah I am...Actually started a patreon last year to fund a grassroots media organization....among other businesses im busting my ass to get capital to get off the ground...So I can create jobs for ppl that look like me so they have money to go to the movies and enjoy "representation" on screen....
Henri Christophe
Son Of Afrika
We do need to focus more on ownership though than we currently are. We don't focus on it nearly enough. That's why "representation" in THEIR stuff means so much to us.
I'm not saying ownership and representation aren't related, i'm saying if we had more of our own things we wouldn't whine so much about representation in THEIRS. I don't think you're thinking in terms of race.
We could control our own representation (among other things) if we had more OWNERSHIP.
Right now, the reason we focus so much on representation in non black owned things (whether it's movies or their other companies) is because we lack ownership of our own.
All OP is saying is if we focused more on ownership then we wouldn't care as much about "representation" in THEIR stuff, because we'd have our OWN.
