Restaurant refuses service to Christian group, citing staff ‘dignity’

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Paradox of tolerance.

Already went through that.

Maybe this'll clear things up....

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[Json]

Wasn't there a furor over a bakery refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding for religious reasons?

In my book, it's perfectly fine if a gay establishment doesn't want to serve people who disagree with their lifestyle choices. They just need to keep that same energy when it's the other way around. Don't sue and run to the media when a religious establishment refuses to serve you.

True. But here’s the thing.

The reason these arguments haven’t really come up before is word spreads. Once a community knows you have this discriminatory policy, you are going to be boycotted.

White peoples, like with free speech, don’t want the blowback for hateful action.

The baker won that case and her business went under cause she lived in Oregon of all places.


My mom was a kid when MLK bus boycotted and remember her family boycotting white businesses in solidarity. The white people got mad cause this was in Mississippi, not Alabama, and like they didn’t want the ramifications of still supporting the government that put those policies in place.

 

[Prodyson]

Dumbass, this isn't a thinkpeice, this is in the Supreme Court. This could change how we operate as a country, you got to have a better understanding of the news media outside of the think peices you only read. Plus just look up hobby lobby. Christians have been doing this forever.

1. Get your emotions under control. Maybe we have differing opinions on a topic, but it’s not the end of the world, man. We’re just two people on a message board. You’ll be okay regardless of what I think, personally.

2. We are talking about a singular instance here, not a Supreme Court decision. But either way, my stance actually errs on the side of not discriminating against people for their beliefs, so I’m not sure what point you’re making there. What I’m saying would apply to Christians as well and would prevent the few instances that so you’re so passionate about, regarding Christians, from happening.

3. This may not be a thinkpiece but often times these types of topics are addressed through thinkpieces and become popularized that way, not always because something is actually happening frequently. THAT was my point. This type of behavior isn’t widespread. Just because you can name a couple companies that may have had a similar issue doesn’t make it widespread. Does it still need to be curtailed so it doesn’t become a bigger issue? Sure. But it’s not the norm regardless of what you want to believe. I’m willing to bet LGBT folks walk into businesses nearly everyday that are owned or run by Christians, and they’re none the wiser.

 

[Genos]

1. Get your emotions under control. Maybe we have differing opinions on a topic, but it’s not the end of the world, man. We’re just two people on a message board. You’ll be okay regardless of what I think, personally.

2. We are talking about a singular instance here, not a Supreme Court decision. But either way, my stance actually errs on the side of not discriminating against people for their beliefs, so I’m not sure what point you’re making there. What I’m saying would apply to Christians as well and would prevent the few instances that so you’re so passionate about, regarding Christians, from happening.

3. This may not be a thinkpiece but often times these types of topics are addressed through thinkpieces and become popularized that way, not always because something is actually happening frequently. THAT was my point. This type of behavior isn’t widespread. Just because you can name a couple companies that may have had a similar issue doesn’t make it widespread. Does it still need to be curtailed so it doesn’t become a bigger issue? Sure. But it’s not the norm regardless of what you want to believe. I’m willing to bet LGBT folks walk into businesses nearly everyday that are owned or run by Christians, and they’re none the wiser.

Singular instance? Christians are trying to change the laws of the country, laws effect everyone who lives on a country. Why are you pretending that christians trying to change the laws is not happening right now and has happened in the past and instead are focusing on think pieces? Christians have no problem with letting these people who affect real laws, and not just think pieces you read, do their shyt in the name of god.

 

[Prodyson]

Singular instance? Christians are trying to change the laws of the country, laws effect everyone who lives on a country. Why are you pretending that christians trying to change the laws is not happening right now and has happened in the past and instead are focusing on think pieces? Christians have no problem with letting these people who affect real laws, and not just think pieces you read, do their shyt in the name of god.

Bruh… are you ignoring the fact the my stance is not in line with the stance you believe Christians have? I also think you have a skewed view of what Christians believe and how they operate. White conservative Christians are not the same as Black liberal/moderate (or even white liberal) Christians.

Either way, I’ve already said I DO NOT AGREE with discrimination for beliefs and political stances, specifically if the service has no direct effect on their person honoring their own beliefs…. so why are quoting me?

 

[Arizax2]

So how is this any different then the bakery that refused to make a cake for a same sex couple. I believe that's being heard by the supreme court.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Meanwhile people are fleeing atheist paradises like China, North Korea and Cuba to come to America

People are leaving China because of the government is basically a dictatorship.
Right behind China in terms of Atheist population is Japan, Sweden, Czech, and the UK

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

see this is how we end up with black people being beat up at lunch counters

cut this shyt out

 

[mbewane]

That sentence wasn’t very clear to me because a “dessert reception” doesn’t sound like anything promoting any sort of ideologies. But I could be wrong. Either way, I stand by the belief that if it was the type of event that you quoted and bolded, then yes it would be the same as my company because without any research the person providing the service wouldn’t know the difference. Also, there are plenty of companies that make clear their political leanings. A lot them just aren’t perceived to be radical so there’s no need to harp on it.

Either way, this organization isn’t the NRA, nationally known by most of the population. She had to Google search who they were and their beliefs because she didn’t even know herself. And as much as I don’t like the NRA, if they had a chapter that wanted to have a party at my restaurant, I wouldn’t care. As long as it wasn’t some conference or rally or something like that, I’d take their money, left them eat for a couple of hours and let them leave.

The only exception to me would be some sort of hate group. I wouldn’t even let them step foot into my business, if I had the power.

The group itself is promoting a certain ideology, since it states so on their website. The KKK doesn't stop being the KKK just because they're not holding a conference. Even if they're "just" having a dessert reception, it's still the KKK. Same with any other organization/group.

And the bolded proves that when YOU don't like the politics of a group you see no problem with stopping them from coming into your business. Why don't you apply the same logic for the next person? That's literally what this restaurant did lmao.

 

[mbewane]

Pretty sure it's discriminatory. If a Christian doctor refuses to treat gay patients in his private clinic, there would be an uproar.

We've already adressed the difference between a group and individuals, but y'all don't read.

That's precisely the point. They presented themselves as an organization wanting to do an event in the restaurant, not as individuals. There would've been no way for the restaurant to know about their opinions had they booked as any other regular group of individuals, but they booked as an organization who wanted to have one of their events there and who has made its agenda clear and public. The restaurant doesn't align itself with the political opinions of said group, so they can refuse to be associated with them. And yes, it is associating, all the group had to is put some pictures up and boom, now the restaurant is seen as a place where anti-LGBQT and anti-abortion groups are welcome.

I'm not 100% sure, but I'm pretty confident that anti-discrimination laws protect individuals, not organizations. Organizations de facto have a political agenda, AND they make it public beforehand. If you don't agree with said political agenda how can one force you to host that organization? And yes that goes both ways, I wouldn't expect say a church to agree to host a LGBQT meeting for example.

 

[Greed]

Religion, lifestyle and sexual orientation shouldn’t have any bearing on business. Especially not in the food industry

McDonalds isn’t gonna stop serving Kanye West are they?

Then again the rate he’s going, maybe they get around to it

 

[Prodyson]

The group itself is promoting a certain ideology, since it states so on their website. The KKK doesn't stop being the KKK just because they're not holding a conference. Even if they're "just" having a dessert reception, it's still the KKK. Same with any other organization/group.

And the bolded proves that when YOU don't like the politics of a group you see no problem with stopping them from coming into your business. Why don't you apply the same logic for the next person? That's literally what this restaurant did lmao.

Disagreeing with someone’s political stance and someone being a hate group are two different things. A Christian group that doesn’t agree with same sex marriage or abortion is not the same as a group who literally have a history of MURDERING people and committing other illegal activities. So yes, I would allow someone with different politics to use my establishment as long as my own personal actions don’t have to compromise my beliefs and they’re not plastering their agenda all over establishment for others to see. If they are having an a seminar/conference about banning abortions and revoking gay rights, then I’d completely agree with them not giving them service.

Comparing a non-violent (that we know of) religious group to a hate group like the KKK is a reach. This restaurant didn’t find out that this group tried to bomb a planned parenthood, they just found out they are actively working against a political policy that they themselves believe in. If this is okay, does it apply to any political policy? If this was an anti-gun group and the restaurant owners were avid hunters and gun collectors, would it make sense for them to deny them service as well? Or is it just because it’s LGBT or Christians, or Jewish, or whatever group is deciding to grandstand today.

Christians are wrong when they do it and anyone else is wrong too if they are not directly compromising their own beliefs (not hate) to serve someone at a place of business…

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

Is denying service to what has essentially become a hate group in this country hypocrisy?

so Harlems Sylvia shouldn't be able to deny service to a white supremacist organization?

a jewish restaurant should have to host a neo nazi gathering?

They do this shyt all the time, what goes around comes around.

great point.

but you open up a can of worms like that too.

Somebody not agreeing with your culture isn't hate. Black folks don't agree with Jewish culture, does that make us racist? No.


I mean where is the line drawn where you can deny service to a group? Neo Nazis? Yeah you should be able to deny service because that's blantant hate. A Conservative Christian group? Republicans? Those aren't hate groups no matter how you try to shape it. Their opinions are vastly different e.a. no gay marriage, but that's no real excuse to deny service.

We're all on this planet together, we gotta put our differences aside and get along.

 

[Afro]

If you want to know why the 'Alt-Right' is gaining power, it's because of this kind of thing.

They feel THEY are being discriminated against.

'Truth' is relative.

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You are asking The Coli to make a logical connection to white folk problems

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

You are asking The Coli to make a logical connection to white folk problems

I figured they'd already seen the writing on the wall when "White" people started complaining about 'reverse racism".

I was mistaken.

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