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At this stage in his career, anyone expecting that is an idiot. But he never had to do it.
I don’t think Sherman ever could because he just doesn’t have the size or agility of Revis to do it

this is why corners like Jalen Ramsey and Jeff Okudah are seen as game changers nowadays because they are receiver size corners who move like slot players

With Sherm, he’s never been that guy, remember he played receiver up until his last year of college; schematically it just wouldn’t be conducive to your defense expecting him to lock up one man

imagine leaving Sherm in press coverage with guys like AB, Desean Jackson and Tyreek Hill, at that point you’d just be setting your team up for failure

I understand why anyone would prefer Revis because shutting down a team’s top playmaker is gamenbreaking, but you’d have to admit, shutting down a quarter/half of the field has a similar effect
 

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Exactly. Picks are deceiving in this case because QBs just didn't test Revis like they tried Sherm the worm’s side of the field.
There’s no stat for a qb saying “nah...Im not even throwing it there. He’s covered.”

COUNTLESS times I was at Jets games, saw a qb look his way, see what it is, and go to the next progression.


Where does PFF tally that? :camby:
 

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A month ago, PFF, which fits the definition of "football people", until some Coli nikka inevitably comes in here to redefine it, called Sherm the GOAT '10s CB, and explained their position deftly...

This Coli thing that "nobody" would take Sherm over Revis, or that "nobody" ever thought Sherm was better, is revisionist as fukk and was never true....

The rest of you can fall for the bait-and-switch, though...

Richard Sherman: the best cornerback of the decade | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF
Debate aside, this is a great read :leon:
 

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I don’t think Sherman ever could because he just doesn’t have the size or agility of Revis to do it

this is why corners like Jalen Ramsey and Jeff Okudah are seen as game changers nowadays because they are receiver size corners who move like slot players

With Sherm, he’s never been that guy, remember he played receiver up until his last year of college; schematically it just wouldn’t be conducive to your defense expecting him to lock up one man

imagine leaving Sherm in press coverage with guys like AB, Desean Jackson and Tyreek Hill, at that point you’d just be setting your team up for failure

I understand why anyone would prefer Revis because shutting down a team’s top playmaker is gamenbreaking, but you’d have to admit, shutting down a quarter/half of the field has a similar effect
It does they both have their advantages. Pete always played him at lcb cuz that was the natural place right handed QBs look first too so you making them throw across their body. It's also the systems that sherm been in. Sf runs the Seattle defense. If Pete had got revis he'd of done the same thing
 

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I don’t think Sherman ever could because he just doesn’t have the size or agility of Revis to do it

this is why corners like Jalen Ramsey and Jeff Okudah are seen as game changers nowadays because they are receiver size corners who move like slot players

With Sherm, he’s never been that guy, remember he played receiver up until his last year of college; schematically it just wouldn’t be conducive to your defense expecting him to lock up one man

imagine leaving Sherm in press coverage with guys like AB, Desean Jackson and Tyreek Hill, at that point you’d just be setting your team up for failure

I understand why anyone would prefer Revis because shutting down a team’s top playmaker is gamenbreaking, but you’d have to admit, shutting down a quarter/half of the field has a similar effect

the effect is null and void of you keep a scrub on that side of the field. I prefer to shut down your best player, period.

its not equal. Killing your game breaker counts as more
 

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Strange no one was around to tell teams this against the lob so they could expose browner
You had Earl Thomas and Kam.

you really acting like they werent a unit. Browner was utter journeyman trash once he left seattle.

that was a fully functioning unit. Sherm was surrounded by luxurry
 

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Remind me, I can't seem to recall a single Revis thread I've ever started...



Don't fall for the okey-doke, I'm not a Revis hater and I've never created any Revis hate thread...



I called 2012-2015 still his prime, just in the context that his peers considered him still amongst the Top 5 at his position at the time. I kept the consistency for both, in the time frame that both were considered elite by their peers...

Revis was considered outta position in TB, but people still thought he was elite. All the pacifying at the time were how it just wasn't the right fit for him, not that he was washed...

We can talk football bro, I relish it. If you read any of my posts, I'm not arguing that Sherman was better either, my point is I think its debatable and the sentiment at the time was full of debate...

And you and others coming in the thread with the "Revis unquestionably better" is outta pocket, that wasn't the sentiment in real time by fans or media and the players voted on who they thought was better...

So we can break down the nuances of the position and what we value in both, just understand, my argument was never that Sherman should be necessarily considered better than Revis, only that the idea Revis was way better than Sherman is revisionist because that isnt what people thought at the time, and we have the receipts on player votes and award voters as to where they thought the two stood at the time...

Your opinion that Revis was better doesn't devalue the apparent many other people who didn't and don't share that same opinion...

My man - I didn't mean to come at you harsh, and I shut my mouth for 99% of these debates in real-life/internet - but sometimes I feel I gotta drop some jewels in frustration.

Did you watch Undisputed today?

Do you notice how players tip-toe around the topic, saying that "Yea, Revis was the best, but..." - because its CLEARLY Revis in his prime was a GOD, while Sherman at his Prime was great. A lot of people don't like Revis, or don't think he should've went at Sherm ((I am one of those people) but they know he was a better player.

Sherman is well-liked and dominates in what he is asked to do. Some guys don't want to speak against that, because it is hating - Sherman is a damn baller, and don't deserve to be hated on, period.

But no guy is taking Sherman over Revis. You are talking to a guy who verified has had convos with NFL coaches about Ed Reed vs Sean Taylor in thier primes, Top WRs from Hall of Famers, best corners ever with NFL Hall of Famers, and I still work with and run with guys who I can't say their names on this board (If you PM me, I send you my IG)

I am not claiming I know everything. There is room for opinion. But some stuff is BS. Pro Football Focus is nothing to being actual team meeting rooms in the NFL and seeing the player grades on the board. I have.

I am trying to tell you, Prime Revis was scary, and I HATED him for dissing Moss & TO, who I felt would've eaten him up in their primes if left on an island like that.

Also, Ochocinco is bought up a lot, but Ocho in his 2nd matchup was eating him up, but Palmer was throwing the ball all over the field poorly, which boosted the aura of being locked down.

All in all, I am telling you, Revis is better. But he needs to STFU (my opinion) - AND, I know Sherman def could NOT do what Revis did, but he is underrated in my book. Everyone is on his d!ck now, but past few years been hating on him, and he is a complete baller.
 

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My man - I didn't mean to come at you harsh, and I shut my mouth for 99% of these debates in real-life/internet - but sometimes I feel I gotta drop some jewels in frustration.

Did you watch Undisputed today?

Do you notice how players tip-toe around the topic, saying that "Yea, Revis was the best, but..." - because its CLEARLY Revis in his prime was a GOD, while Sherman at his Prime was great. A lot of people don't like Revis, or don't think he should've went at Sherm ((I am one of those people) but they know he was a better player.

Sherman is well-liked and dominates in what he is asked to do. Some guys don't want to speak against that, because it is hating - Sherman is a damn baller, and don't deserve to be hated on, period.

But no guy is taking Sherman over Revis. You are talking to a guy who verified has had convos with NFL coaches about Ed Reed vs Sean Taylor in thier primes, Top WRs from Hall of Famers, best corners ever with NFL Hall of Famers, and I still work with and run with guys who I can't say their names on this board (If you PM me, I send you my IG)

I am not claiming I know everything. There is room for opinion. But some stuff is BS. Pro Football Focus is nothing to being actual team meeting rooms in the NFL and seeing the player grades on the board. I have.

I am trying to tell you, Prime Revis was scary, and I HATED him for dissing Moss & TO, who I felt would've eaten him up in their primes if left on an island like that.

Also, Ochocinco is bought up a lot, but Ocho in his 2nd matchup was eating him up, but Palmer was throwing the ball all over the field poorly, which boosted the aura of being locked down.

All in all, I am telling you, Revis is better. But he needs to STFU (my opinion) - AND, I know Sherman def could NOT do what Revis did, but he is underrated in my book. Everyone is on his d!ck now, but past few years been hating on him, and he is a complete baller.

I didn't take your response personally, and I didn't say I didn't believe you associate with The League. It's all good, homie...

Only question I have is are you in position to get me a job with The League? I'd love to make my living working with or for the NFL or a sports agency...
 
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I didn't take your response personally, and I didn't say I didn't believe you associate with The League. It's all good, homie...

Only question I have is are you in position to get me a job with The League? I'd love to make my living working with or for the NFL or a sports agency...
It really depends on what you do my man. And again, my apologies for jumping out there on a message board - not how I go lol. All love here, it’s just a friendly football debate.

But it really depends on your FB background. Are you talking coach or scout? You must have some coaching BG - never too late to start.

League offices? You don’t really need a FB background, but working for NFL or NFLPA is just like a regular job - you just need skill set in the particular field you are trying to work in.

I will be in Miami next week for SB, and will be at a NFLPA event as well. If youre around, let’s grab lunch. If not, PM me and I’ll shoot answer your questions the best I can, or ask them right here so others can see and get help/ideas too. I’ll keep it as real as I can, but I try not to name names directly here, because this stuff is easily seen online.
 
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