Revis getting at Sherman

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he has a mountain of Revis hate threads. Its par for the course. Long windedness doesnt hide it

Remind me, I can't seem to recall a single Revis thread I've ever started...

Starting to make sense from that perspective.

I freaking love Richard Sherman and how he plays the game, but no coach on planet Earth in any scheme is taking Prime Sherm over Prime Revis :rudy:

Don't fall for the okey-doke, I'm not a Revis hater and I've never created any Revis hate thread...

I can't properly go in on your "smart guy" posting but Revis was a Jet from 07-12, his TB years were def not considered his prime and he was considered out of scheme, won the chip in 14 with Pats then pretty much aged out.

There primes were NOT the same years buddy, and I can take longer to crush this silly debate man. C'mon bro, this is rediculous from you.

I called 2012-2015 still his prime, just in the context that his peers considered him still amongst the Top 5 at his position at the time. I kept the consistency for both, in the time frame that both were considered elite by their peers...

Revis was considered outta position in TB, but people still thought he was elite. All the pacifying at the time were how it just wasn't the right fit for him, not that he was washed...

We can talk football bro, I relish it. If you read any of my posts, I'm not arguing that Sherman was better either, my point is I think its debatable and the sentiment at the time was full of debate...

And you and others coming in the thread with the "Revis unquestionably better" is outta pocket, that wasn't the sentiment in real time by fans or media and the players voted on who they thought was better...

So we can break down the nuances of the position and what we value in both, just understand, my argument was never that Sherman should be necessarily considered better than Revis, only that the idea Revis was way better than Sherman is revisionist because that isnt what people thought at the time, and we have the receipts on player votes and award voters as to where they thought the two stood at the time...

Your opinion that Revis was better doesn't devalue the apparent many other people who didn't and don't share that same opinion...
 

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A month ago, PFF, which fits the definition of "football people", until some Coli nikka inevitably comes in here to redefine it, called Sherm the GOAT '10s CB, and explained their position deftly...

This Coli thing that "nobody" would take Sherm over Revis, or that "nobody" ever thought Sherm was better, is revisionist as fukk and was never true....

The rest of you can fall for the bait-and-switch, though...

Richard Sherman: the best cornerback of the decade | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF
 

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A month ago, PFF, which fits the definition of "football people", until some Coli nikka inevitably comes in here to redefine it, called Sherm the GOAT '10s CB, and explained their position deftly...

This Coli thing that "nobody" would take Sherm over Revis, or that "nobody" ever thought Sherm was better, is revisionist as fukk and was never true....

The rest of you can fall for the bait-and-switch, though...

Richard Sherman: the best cornerback of the decade | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF
So what PFF is gospel :childplease:

We all supposed to fall back because some lytic nerds said so?

:trash:
 

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A month ago, PFF, which fits the definition of "football people", until some Coli nikka inevitably comes in here to redefine it, called Sherm the GOAT '10s CB, and explained their position deftly...

This Coli thing that "nobody" would take Sherm over Revis, or that "nobody" ever thought Sherm was better, is revisionist as fukk and was never true....

The rest of you can fall for the bait-and-switch, though...

Richard Sherman: the best cornerback of the decade | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF
Where does following a number one receiver come into the equation? Do you think that I care that Sherm shuts down and ball hawks vs a nondescript receiver that comes to his side? Compared to that of Revis who has to follow number one inside, outside, left, right, slot?
Do you know how difficult it is to transition from an outside to a slot corner? There’s no sideline available to play help defender. Sherm did none of that. Revis did.

PFF has been dogshyt for years.
 

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So what PFF is gospel :childplease:

We all supposed to fall back because some lytic nerds said so?

:trash:

Nah PFF ain't gospel, but this is multiple receipts that Revis want seen as the runaway consensus better of the two. That's the only point I'm making, lotta guys ran in here saying it wasn't even a debate, when it's clear it was a debate, and players established through their own votes that they thought Sherm was better...
 

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Nah PFF ain't gospel, but this is multiple receipts that Revis want seen as the runaway consensus better of the two. That's the only point I'm making, lotta guys ran in here saying it wasn't even a debate, when it's clear it was a debate, and players established through their own votes that they thought Sherm was better...
There is no way Sherman was better than Revis in his prime

I don’t care what they say and by them saying that shyt makes me think they’re garbage..

Go look at Revis 2009 season. Them giving the Defensive Player of the Year to Woodson was a crime and in my opinion that was the CAC media mad at Revis for holding these teams up for money. His Uncle Sean Gilbert trained him well :wow:

Sherman NEVER did no shyt like that
 
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Football people voted that Sherman was better, unless the players who actually played with these guys don't count. The Coli gonna have to explain to me when "what players say" counts, and when it doesn't hahahaha...

In the years that they both were elite at the same time, 2012-2015, Revis didn't get a single vote for DPOY. Sherman got 4 votes in 2013, or do those votes not count and those aren't "football people"?

I was and remain a Revis fan, but the juelzing that it is a landslide that Revis is thought of as a better CB is not consistent with the evidence of what people thought when both were elite at the same time, and is some of the strongest narrative-spinning and revisionism I've seen on this board as a while...

Now again, we can talk about the years Revis was great that Sherm was in college lol, or we could talk about the years Sherm has managed to be great while Revis has been retired, just know that those convos aren't apples to apples, and even then you'd have to do some serious reaching to say it's in favor of Revis in a landslide...

But in the four year window that both were considered elite players at the same time, it's clear who players and football people thought were better, and his name isn't Darrelle Revis...

:ehh:


Overall I still say Revis, but it's not a landslide though.
 

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Overall I still say Revis, but it's not a landslide though.

Bruh I ain't got an issue with anyone who thinks Revis is better, only the idea that it should be Revis in a landslide. That runaway Revis shyt is some Coli shyt, that was never a consensus when both were in their primes at the same time...

But def have no issue if one just prefers Revis!
 

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Bruh I ain't got an issue with anyone who thinks Revis is better, only the idea that it should be Revis in a landslide. That runaway Revis shyt is some Coli shyt, that was never a consensus when both were in their primes at the same time...

But def have no issue if one just prefers Revis!
the key point is that Revis followed the #1 receiver no matter if they were in bunch formation in the slot, on the outside or in motion.

the idea that we can just gloss that over is wild to me.

No knock on Sherman but there is no way i'd take a LCB over a true shutdown corner who shadows your #1 WR no matter where they go.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
 

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the key point is that Revis followed the #1 receiver no matter if they were in bunch formation in the slot, on the outside or in motion.

the idea that we can just gloss that over is wild to me.

No knock on Sherman but there is no way i'd take a LCB over a true shutdown corner who shadows your #1 WR no matter where they go.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Again...the transition from slot corner to LCB or RCB is so vast. Do cats know how nice one has to be to make that transition mid game?

sherm never touched Revis man. Its not even close
 

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Again...the transition from slot corner to LCB or RCB is so vast. Do cats know how nice one has to be to make that transition mid game?

sherm never touched Revis man. Its not even close
Slot corner is a specialty there's a reason Chris Harrises of the world don't grow on trees.

The fact that Revis can effortlessly move inside is wild to me.
 
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