Reza Aslan rebuts Bill Maher about Islam

[Broke Wave]

Open challenge : If anyone can prove that FGM is an indigenous part of Islam, or a requirement in Islam, or even advocated for in Islam, I will leave Islam right now.

Using a AUTHENTIC Narration from the Hadith or a verse from the Quran, prove this and I will openly renounce Islam on the Coli.

No Fatwas or "Scholars" or anything like that. Just first hand sources.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

What makes a muslim country, muslim?

 

[thekingsmen]

Believe in Zionist pretending to be Atheists, brehs.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Open challenge : If anyone can prove that FGM is an indigenous part of Islam, or a requirement in Islam, or even advocated for in Islam, I will leave Islam right now.

Using a AUTHENTIC Narration from the Hadith or a verse from the Quran, prove this and I will openly renounce Islam on the Coli.

No Fatwas or "Scholars" or anything like that. Just first hand sources.

Just to be clear here, you're asking that we provide a non interpretation?

 

[Broke Wave]

Just to be clear here, you're asking that we provide a non interpretation?

yes, first hand sources

 

[the cac mamba]

Exactly... I have a hard time believing someone would say Indians are sub human yet somehow when it comes to Africa and Blacks adopt a liberal and open minded point of view. He is a racist white guy who I've noticed has said shyt without reprimand

 

[No1]

General thoughts:

A general note about religion while we're all here--critics of religions and their "culture" frequently ignore the fact that it is the environment and circumstances surrounding the leaders and followers of a religion that bring about heinous acts more than the distinctive qualities of the religion itself. The one thing that connects all religions is how close to the vest followers hold it and are willing to go to bat for it. So, if you take a repressive regime and give them religious validity--a common thread throughout history--it strengthens their hold. But that is more of an indictment on the arbiters of the religion than the text itself. It's the malleability of religion that allows for the vast discrepancies between an East Coast liberal protestant or catholic and a Western evangelical.

Maher says things like, but "Christians in Brazil aren't calling for the death of people just for leaving the faith." But there was a time in history where such a thing would warrant a stoning or worse. It is the societies where those religions dwell that evolved and changed. Many of the movements that brought about change to religion, and society, did not occur or were disturbed in other parts of the world. At one point, Christians defended slavery using religion. That would be considered absurd today. I don't feel like writing an essay on this, but there's a very strong correlation surrounding the education and structure of a society versus what its religious leaders promote. Maher's analysis--like those of many atheists, agnostics and skeptics of organized religion (myself included in the latter category)--simply skips over all the sociological and economic ingredients that set the stage for the Saudi Arabias, and focuses on the recurring ingredient it hates the most--religion. It blames that one ingredient for the entirety of the offensive flavor of the oppressive dish and assumes that removing it is the best and most important step towards producing a better societal recipe. That is highly debatable.

HL, I'm impressed that we have a discussion that stayed respectful for the most part.

As for @Napoleon saying that the time has passed for believing that "not all religious people are bad" is one of the most egotistical and outright outrageous things that I've ever heard. A large percentage of my friends are atheist or agnostic and they'd call you a psycho for saying something like that. You also assume that YOUR interpretation of a religion is the correct interpretation so by supporting certain things people are "halfheartedly" supporting their religion. Further, you're the atheist equivalent to religious proselytizers. If someone believes in something and isn't impacting your life or forcing it upon you then leave them the fukk alone. That's all every atheist or agnostic person I know wants. They hate people like you. That's all I'm going to say on this subject.

 

[the cac mamba]

I don't expect anything from white people like @the cac mamba . I don't expect him to understand anything about culture, or how india is still transitioning almost directly from a feudal system. You better believe that guy would say the same shyt about black people if he wasn't on this site.

yea fukkin right breh, stop tryna score points

im sorry if i referred to the facts about the state of hygiene in india, in less than cordial terms. thicken your fukkin skin up. or if something i said was untrue, by all means, rebut me

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

yea fukkin right breh, stop tryna score points

im sorry if i referred to the facts about the state of hygiene in india, in less than cordial terms. thicken your fukkin skin

Like @Broke Wave said, we don't believe you you need more people.

I have yet to see you comment negatively on black people and their living conditions around the world (hint: they're bad). You're a racist. Trying to 'score points'? not sure what you mean. I just think you're a sneaky c*nt.

 

[the cac mamba]

I have yet to see you comment negatively on black people and their living conditions around the world (hint: they're bad). You're a racist.

 

[Broke Wave]

Like @Broke Wave said, we don't believe you you need more people.

I have yet to see you comment negatively on black people and their living conditions around the world (hint: they're bad). You're a racist. Trying to 'score points'? not sure what you mean. I just think you're a sneaky c*nt.

@the cac mamba is unfortunately racist but he can be saved un like others. He is racist out of complete ignorance and not knowing about other peoples. Maybe if you would ask questions instead about things instead of masking your lack of knowledge in insults and jokes, you would learn a few things from myself and my Indian friend that are beneficial to you.

 

[the cac mamba]

@the cac mamba is unfortunately racist but he can be saved un like others. He is racist out of complete ignorance and not knowing about other peoples.

http://www.riazhaq.com/2011/10/india-leads-world-in-open-defecation.html

for the second time, referring to this issue in less than cordial terms means im a racist? you guys are clowns

 

[Broke Wave]

http://www.riazhaq.com/2011/10/india-leads-world-in-open-defecation.html

for the second time, referring to this issue in less than cordial terms means im a racist? you guys are clowns

638 million indians don't have access to toilets... according to your own article

the country with the least food leads the world in open starvation

I'll let the logic sink in.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

A general note about religion while we're all here--critics of religions and their "culture" frequently ignore the fact that it is the environment and circumstances surrounding the leaders and followers of a religion that bring about heinous acts more than the distinctive qualities of the religion itself.

Weren't the distinctive qualities of a religion invented by the leaders and followers? Did Muhammad not claim to be a prophet, and did his lieutenants not write down and codify the claims he made? Have Islamic courts not interpreted that material for centuries? Is Martin Luther not the father of Protestantism? Did Protestantism just *poof* into existence like magic or was it designed by persons?

 

[the cac mamba]

638 million indians don't have access to toilets... according to your own article

the country with the least food leads the world in open starvation

I'll let the logic sink in.

still not getting how...this makes me a racist