Reza Aslan rebuts Bill Maher about Islam

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The countries that practice it are west, central and east African countries with the exception of Egypt (which I doubt its 91 % anyway ), it's just so many of these countries happen to be msulim majority. It's not practiced in North Africa, Arab nations or south/south east Asia, so yeah it's a regional problem (I wouldn't exactly call it an African problem and def not an Islamic one). I don't know of anything encouraging it within the religion and the majority of the muslim world don't practice it or even consider it

http://www.unicef.org/media/files/FGCM_Lo_res.pdf

Lettuce not let facts get int the way.

Why the hell are we talking about FGM anyways?

 

[Serious]

WHO THE fukk IS REZA ASLAN!?!?

Get the theologian fukk boy OUT of here.

Do you know anything about dude?

I'm dead ass serious.

Ya'll are so gullible to obvious bullshyt its downright scary.

Jesus Christ dude, I'm not even past the first page and I can't even figure out why you're so Damn angry

 

[Ghost_In_A_Shell]

all this history going back past 100 years is bunk and unnecessary

No one cares.

We're talking about RIGHT NOW.

and yes, Islam is still a problem

I dont disagree with you, but we shouldn't even have to go this far

I am simply attempting to disprove Aslan's subpoints in his argument by using evidence.You do not just win arguments by saying 'Oh, thats wrong!', you provide a body of information that establishes your claim.

And as to my evidence being 'bunk', please look at the definition of the word ' tradition'. Tradition is the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation or a belief / behavior passed down within a society with symbolic meaning or special significance with origins in the past. The religion of Isam is practiced heavily in the name of Tradition. So to say that 'all this history going back past 100 years is bunk and unnecessary' is disregarding , especially if we are debating practices taken up by a prevalent religion which dates back over a thousand years....

Please keep in mind the country that I used in example in my previous statement. FGM was banned by the Indonesian government in 2006, almost 800 years later after the practice was put into place. However, FGM/C remained and is commonplace for women in Indonesia - the world’s largest Muslim nation. In 2013, the Indonesian Ulema Council ruled that it favors FGM, stating that although it is not mandatory, it is still “morally recommended”.The Ulema has been pushing Indonesian government to circumcise girls, claiming it is part of Islamic teachings.....

All history is current. to say that the past does not repeat itself is a lie and an horrible one.

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

 

[Ghost_In_A_Shell]

@ Bill Maher
So wait... Now we can not differentiate between radical Islamist and Muslim now?
( I am an Atheist/agnostic by the way)

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

@ Bill Maher
So wait... Now we can not differentiate between radical Islamist and Muslim now?
( I am an Atheist/agnostic by the way)

We can't.

We're at that point.

Radical islam isn't something new. Its way over 300+ years at this point.

Religion is something that we shouldn't be surprised of when people take it SERIOUSLY.

Thats the problem here.

Islam isn't moderate. Nor it christianity. People are just so accustomed to bullshytting their way through their religions that they are surprised when people take them seriously.

 

[emoney]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_mutilation

In Islamic texts the practice is referred to as khafḍ (Arabic: خفض‎)[6] or khifaḍ (Arabic: خِفَض‎).[7] The less severe forms, particularly what the World Health
Organization calls Type I (removal of the clitoral hood with either part of or the entire clitoris), is known as Sunna circumcision


Historical religious views
The historical religious view of Islam, on FGM, varies with the school of Islamic jurisprudence:[21]

The Shafi'i school of Islamic jurisprudence considers female circumcision to be wajib (obligatory).[22]

The Hanbali school of Islamic jurisprudence considers female circumcision to be makrumah (honorable) and strongly encouraged, to obligatory.[23]

The Maliki school of Islamic jurisprudence considers female circumcision to be sunnah (optional) and preferred.[23]

The Hanafi school of Islamic jurisprudence considers female circumcision to be sunnah (preferred)

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I am simply attempting to disprove Aslan's subpoints in his argument by using evidence.You do not just win arguments by saying 'Oh, thats wrong!', you provide a body of information that establishes your claim.

And as to my evidence being 'bunk', please look at the definition of the word ' tradition'. Tradition is the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation or a belief / behavior passed down within a society with symbolic meaning or special significance with origins in the past. The religion of Isam is practiced heavily in the name of Tradition. So to say that 'all this history going back past 100 years is bunk and unnecessary' is disregarding , especially if we are debating practices taken up by a prevalent religion which dates back over a thousand years....

Please keep in mind the country that I used in example in my previous statement. FGM was banned by the Indonesian government in 2006, almost 800 years later after the practice was put into place. However, FGM/C remained and is commonplace for women in Indonesia - the world’s largest Muslim nation. In 2013, the Indonesian Ulema Council ruled that it favors FGM, stating that although it is not mandatory, it is still “morally recommended”.The Ulema has been pushing Indonesian government to circumcise girls, claiming it is part of Islamic teachings.....

All history is current. to say that the past does not repeat itself is a lie and an horrible one.

I didn't say you were wrong. I said that you doing all that research isn't necessary. We shouldn't have to dig 500+ years back to make an obvious point.

 

[emoney]

Aslan like many Muslims do not like acknowledging the negative aspects of their dogma.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

http://atheistanalysis.com/open-letter-reza-aslan/

On CNN you go on to say regarding female genital mutilation:

“I mean, the argument about the female genital mutilation being an Islamic problem is a perfect example of that. It’s not an Islamic problem. It’s an African problem …And that’s actually empirically factually incorrect … It’s a Central African problem. Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It’s a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It’s a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue.”

WOW, hold on, you think Eritea is a Christian country? How strange that only 50% of the country is Christian, and 48% is Islamic. You forgot to mention that, maybe you thought nobody would fact check you, my bad.

Also Ethiopia a Christian country? Of course in the 4th century it adopted Christianity as the state religion – but unless you forgot, it is not the 4th century any more, how embarrassing of a “historian” to forget – Christianity is no longer the state religion, and only has 62% Christians and 34% Muslims which is no doubt more than 50%, but if the best evidence you have is calling 50% & 62% Christian majorities, then you have a big problem. Sorry again, I guess you thought being on CNN you wouldn’t get fact checked.
Let us look at the evidence against you, as the evidence you used yourself was dire and counter-productive to your own means. Is female genital mutilation an Islamic problem or not?

Somalia 98% FGM – 99.8% Muslim & less than 0.1% Christian
Djibouti 93% FGM – 94% Muslim 6% Christian
Eqypt 91% FGM – 94.9% Muslim & only 9% Christian
Guinea 96% FGM – 85% Muslim & only 8% Christian
Mali 89% FGM – 90% Muslim only 5% Christian
Sudan 88% FGM – 98% Muslim >2% Christian
Sierra Leone 88% FGM – 71% Muslim 27% Christian

Out of the 29 main countries that conduct female genital mutilation in Africa – only 8 are Christian majority countries, with the remaining 21 all being an Islamic majority, go figure! Why didn’t you mention these statistics? Because they clearly prove you wrong, that’s why.

Let’s look at your mathematics; you believe that because 21 out of 47 African countries adhere to the barbaric procedure of female genital mutilation, that it is an African problem. 21 out of 47 = 44.6%

But you don’t believe female genital mutilation is an Islamic problem, even when 21 out of the 30 countries in the world that practise FGM are Islamic? That = 70%

So 44.6% of African countries = African problem!
but 70% of Islamic countries = erm … nothing to do with Islam!

This link covers so much of what is problematic with Aslan

Dudes like @Broletariat and @Mephistopheles like being so "open minded" to other people that they lose their damn minds in forgetting to respect themselves.

I used to be on some "oh well not all religious people are bad" tip...but that time has come and gone.

Theres no point.

Religion is flat out useless. Theres no point in even granting it the slightest legitimacy because all you REALLY want from religious people is to not take their religion so seriously.

Why would you ask someone to believe something half-heartedly? shyt makes no sense. Its insulting to THEIR intelligence more than anything

 

[Ghost_In_A_Shell]

This link covers so much of what is problematic with Aslan

Dudes like @Broletariat and @Mephistopheles like being so "open minded" to other people that they lose their damn minds in forgetting to respect themselves.

I used to be on some "oh well not all religious people are bad" tip...but that time has come and gone.

Theres no point.

Religion is flat out useless. Theres no point in even granting it the slightest legitimacy because all you REALLY want from religious people is to not take their religion so seriously.

Why would you ask someone to believe something half-heartedly? shyt makes no sense. Its insulting to THEIR intelligence more than anything

 

[Julius Skrrvin]

This link covers so much of what is problematic with Aslan

Dudes like @Broletariat and @Mephistopheles like being so "open minded" to other people that they lose their damn minds in forgetting to respect themselves.

When did me or @Mephistopheles deny that there are problematic aspects of Islam that tie into culture and practice? In fact we agreed with @Type Username Here on that point.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Ben got BODIED

Told ya'll fukkers that Bill had the better point.

 

[Type Username Here]

Aslan like many Muslims do not like acknowledging the negative aspects of their dogma.

Welcome to religion 101

 

[thekingsmen]

They are predominantly Muslim countries.

What makes a muslim country, muslim?