RIAA updates their Gold and Platinum program award rule due to Jay-Z's Samsung deal

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1. Whether or not Paris Hilton has "no fan base or audience" is arguable.

2. What about Oprah?

1. its not arguable.. fan base as a a model or TV personality? shyt maybe 5 years ago, nobody cares about her now kim k took her spot. she definitely has no audience for music, the album she dropped bricked. why would any profit-seeking company invest in her as an artist

2. oprah owns O magazine so thats not comparable. but i dont see how an album by oprah is gonna sell more magazines. people who read O magazine dont listen to rap

not tryin to nitpick ya here, but youre being a lil paranoid
 

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1. its not arguable.. fan base as a a model or TV personality? shyt maybe 5 years ago, nobody cares about her now kim k took her spot. she definitely has no audience for music, the album she dropped bricked. why would any profit-seeking company invest in her as an artist

2. oprah owns O magazine so thats not comparable. but i dont see how an album by oprah is gonna sell more magazines. people who read O magazine dont listen to rap

not tryin to nitpick ya here, but youre being a lil paranoid

1. It is arguable...Paris Hilton is a celebrity, and there are people who read People magazine every week who are vapid and or bored enough to be concerned with anything she does, like those broads who bought little dogs and put them in their purses just like she did.

Yes, that album she dropped bricked - wouldn't it be something if her fam did something to ensure that didn't happen again?

2. People who read O Magazine will listen to whatever music Oprah suggests to them - just like they'll read anything Oprah tells 'em to, or watch any movie Oprah is behind (or in).

I don't mind "nitpicking" here, and i'm not being "paranoid"...all i'm saying is these scenarios (although far fetched) are not inconceivable, given this Jay/Samsung deal.
 

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1. It is arguable...Paris Hilton is a celebrity, and there are people who read People magazine every week who are vapid and or bored enough to be concerned with anything she does, like those broads who bought little dogs and put them in their purses just like she did.

Yes, that album she dropped bricked - wouldn't it be something if her fam did something to ensure that didn't happen again?

2. People who read O Magazine will listen to whatever music Oprah suggests to them - just like they'll read anything Oprah tells 'em to, or watch any movie Oprah is behind (or in).

I don't mind "nitpicking" here, and i'm not being "paranoid"...all i'm saying is these scenarios (although far fetched) are not inconceivable, given this Jay/Samsung deal.

yeah, if there's some nepotism involved (as in the case of hilton and oprah)... but thats not related to this deal with jay and samsung which are separate entities. and samsung is not trying to push jays music, they are pushing their phone, and jay makes them look hip because he's a household name. they wouldnt put waka flockas album on this app because most people who are getting the phone wont know who he is
 
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I think one of the benefits of this is that he won't have his album pirated. Hov's album comes out Thursday. Normally, we would have it already. But for once we finally all get to hear it on its actual release date.

And honestly, only A-list artists will able to do deals like this.
 
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This is correct but digital copies aren't shipped so it's pretty different

iTunes just hosts the album, they don't have to buy digital copies of it from the label and resell them

So digital sales would just be 1 for 1 (from an RIAA-counted sale to a Soundscan/Billboard-counted sale)

Physical it might be up to like 1.5

Since the Samsung thing is digital I don't see why the RIAA would count the million bought by Samsung as "shipped" when nothing on iTunes or Amazon is counted that way

Plus they're not charging which I'm sure breaks all sorts of precedents

If they were counting the Samsung sales I'm sure they would've said that instead of some longwinded stuff about a 30 day rule for digital sales

That's not the same.

At iTunes, they are going to sell you the album. iTunes doesn't give it away for free. Even Amazon doesn't do that, but they have done $.99 deals before but RIAA stopped that. Now the minimum is $3.99.

Since the album isn't being distributed to everyone and you have to make a commitment to purchase (buy the phone, download the app), Samsung is buying a product at $5 a pop to 1 million distinct customers.

Therefore RIAA recognizes that it counts. Soundscan/Billboard won't because it's a bulk purchase and not seeing as actual selling to consumers. But it's gonna be funny to see RIAA with a platinum certification for an album that would have not sold one physical or digital copy yet. Soundscan is being stubborn but they usually are at first. And Billboard is worse with being behind the times.
 
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jay is cheating

I can't see how, Samsung put up the 5 million, Aint an artist in the music business that would turn that down. RIAA makes the rules.

This nikka found another way to generate revenue from music when the old way stopped working, this RIAA shyt is secondary.
 

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So what if Sprite decides to buy 2 million copies of Drakes new album and give out golden ticket digital codes in select bottles?

Maybe Dre Beats or PS4 buys 3 million copies of Kendricks next release and gives them away with all new purchases?

If McDonalds gets behind Taylor Swift next time Thriller's standing might actually be in jeapordy

:lupe:


I guess this is the steroid era of pop music...

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What you meant to say is #newrules.........you have no idea how much fun you and I are about to have trolling back and forth when this album drops :russ:
 

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I'm fine with Jay-Z doing this as a deal; impressed even, as it's a shrewd business move, and it's reinventing how artists can succeed in a business that's screwed them over for years. But I'd be sort of disgusted if the RIAA actually counts these as units sold (their press release doesn't really make it clear if they're making the sales count or not).

Samsung is acting as a distributor, not as a customer. The distributor is in business with Jay-Z - the one million copies sold was part of an endorsement deal. That's not much different from the record label buying one million copies and holding a Twitter contest like "the first one million people to RT this get a free copy of the album." Or, it isn't any different from me buying an album, uploading it to a file sharing site, and saying that you went platinum after a million people download from the free link I uploaded.

The whole purpose of Billboard, Nielsen Soundscan and the RIAA's gold and platinum certification program is to chronicle the support and impact of these albums. So this would be documented as one million people buying Jay-Z's album before it's released, and that's just not accurate.

Now I'd feel completely differently if Samsung bought those albums, and were selling the album exclusively within the app. Or, if the "Magna Carta Holy Grail" app actually costs money. Because that'd show customers actually supporting the album. But giving away an album for free to one million people doesn't mean it's platinum.

The key point is that Samsung is acting like a label/distributor, not as a customer. If this is determined as platinum before it's released, history will give this the same accolades as an album that actually had to connect with fans and earn those copies sold. That's foul, IMO.
 

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That's not the same.

At iTunes, they are going to sell you the album. iTunes doesn't give it away for free. Even Amazon doesn't do that, but they have done $.99 deals before but RIAA stopped that. Now the minimum is $3.99.

Since the album isn't being distributed to everyone and you have to make a commitment to purchase (buy the phone, download the app), Samsung is buying a product at $5 a pop to 1 million distinct customers.

Therefore RIAA recognizes that it counts. Soundscan/Billboard won't because it's a bulk purchase and not seeing as actual selling to consumers. But it's gonna be funny to see RIAA with a platinum certification for an album that would have not sold one physical or digital copy yet. Soundscan is being stubborn but they usually are at first. And Billboard is worse with being behind the times.

Link to the RIAA saying they'll count the Samsung "sales" cuz they never said that :usure:

You included iTunes with Target and Best Buy when iTunes does digital only which is not shipped and therefore the RIAA count matches the Soundscan (unlike physical)

What you were saying in your post was that Soundscan/Billboard won't count the Samsung sales as sales because they're not sales made to the end buyer but the RIAA will count them because they count sales to retailers (shipped copies)

But in the digital market there is no such concept as selling to retailers/shipped copies because all the "retailers" do is host the album and collect a fee, they don't buy and sell anything themselves

Since they already have standards for how they treat digital sales why would they change it suddenly just for Samsung?

I guess we'll see if the album is certified platinum on the first day but I doubt it, especially since everything in the press release suggests that they just fixed some minor rule they had while they were forced to review all of their rules while considering the Jay-Z situation

If they wanted to say that the Samsung sales will count they could've just said that but they didn't
 

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So to make a long story short in this Jay used a cheat code to gain his platinum sales the easy instead of him doing the foot work?

Jay knew he wouldn't go platinum so quick like he used to in the past, so he took advantage with his money and influence and calls this "new rules" huh?

He knows his time is running out.
 

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i mean, how are y'all the SAME muthafucckas b*tching about this? and PRAISE KENDRICK LAMAR for receiving a PLATINUM PLAQUE when he TECHNICALLY haven't yet SOLD a million copies. #doublestandard

Kendrick went platinum the way a true artist suppose to (tours, radio, singles on the radio) etc...aka the hard way.

Jay just basically made a short cut to a platinum plaque.
 

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I can do nothing but applaud Jay for doing this deal. it is a fantastic business deal. dude just pocketed 5 milli without even selling one album thats great
and THAT is what Jay should be congratulated for

but IMO, he should NOT be "given" the platinum certification for these.

If it does then you are gonna see all these lil rapers out there basically starting "companies" just to "buy" certifications

at least before dudes had to be more slick about buying their own albums, now its just blatant as fukk.

smh.

SO yea, good for Jay for making that deal. But not for "cheating" his way to a plaque.
 

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Are there people in here really arguing that Jay "cheated" the system to go plat?

This is the same dude who sold 420,000 copies of The Blueprint the same week of 9/11. The same dude who is GUARANTEED platinum sales on every album he puts out. You can set a fukking clock by this dudes album sales, he is good for a mil on a bad day. Kingdom Come is double plat for christ sakes. This was business, nothing more. He will easily sell a million more copies of the album and ya'll already know this!

Stop with the faux outrage and salute that man for creating another avenue for artists to get that check.
 
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