Richard Sherman on Matthew Stafford’s HOF case

[Shadow King]

Eli getting in soon, is gonna lower the bar for guys like Padford to get in, and it's gonna be a mistake...

Padford's prime overlapped with truly Top 10 of All-Time QBs: Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers. He wasn't even in the same stratosphere as the peaks of those guys...

Padford's late career with the Rams, is overlapping with the primes of Allen, Burrow, Jackson, and Mahomes. The very best version of Padford was not at the level of the best of any of these guys, and the current, still very good version of Padford, is still a notch or two below those guys...

His prime also overlapped with Eli, Luck, Newton, Palmer, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Ryan, Romo, Wilson. He fits somewhere in this class, sure. But how many guys in this group, would you, without hesitation, take over Padford? 5? 4?

So when you get past the 4 All-Time QBs of his early career, that he was never on their level. And the 4 All-Time QBs of his late career, who he isn't on their level. That's 8 guys right there. You easily get beyond 10 guys in his career, who were better players at their position than Stat Padford...

Hall Of Fame is an easy call to me. We're you an elite, Top 5 guy at your position. Ever? Were you a Top 5 guy during your career in totality? If the answer is no, that means there's too much wiggle room in your candidacy, you're not a Hall Of Famer!

You could extend the generosity and say Top 10 instead of Top 5, and he STILL isn't a definitive Top 10 player at his position, during his career...

Hall Of Very Good. He doesn't deserve a bust in Canton though. There were too many quarterbacks we've seen during his career who were just flat out better!

Coming in the league with 40% of the Top 10 Ever is simply a case of born in the wrong era. If he was born in 93 instead of 88 he'd be priming/peaking as those guys are retired or declining.

Of the 9 you have him with, there isn't really 5 I'd take without hesitation...there's some sort of debate for most of them. And at least 3 of them are getting in the Hall at some point anyway so this doesn't slam the door shut on him.

The current Big 4 priming and peaking while he's closer to 40 than 30 is natural order, that's not really a knock.

He likely won't get in, but his case study is interesting because people brush off the polarization between the franchise he gave 12 years to versus the respect he has among his peers. It's also a microcosm of the HOF outlook because the '00-10s group of QBs outside of the 4 GOATs challenges previous markers.

 

[Mike Wins]

That is an extreme case but my point remains. Eli and Cam made the pro bowl over Stafford in 2011. Teddy Bridgewater and Jameis Winston in 2015 over Stafford. 2015 especially is ridiculous.

And when you’re going against media narratives, media favorites, and big market players yes Detroit is going to come up on the short end of that most of the time.

Media been swinging from his nuts since he been in LA and still only got one pro bowl there, in the weaker conference for QBs

Dude's postseason record is 1-5 outside the one season where everything lined up perfectly for him. Other than that he been an empty calorie box score stuffer.

 

[CHICAGO]

That is an extreme case but my point remains. Eli and Cam made the pro bowl over Stafford in 2011. Teddy Bridgewater and Jameis Winston in 2015 over Stafford. 2015 especially is ridiculous.

And when you’re going against media narratives, media favorites, and big market players yes Detroit is going to come up on the short end of that most of the time.

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[TheNig]

Dude's postseason record is 1-5 outside the one season where everything lined up perfectly for him.

So it's not 1-5...

 

[Mike Wins]

So it's not 1-5...

If you been in the league 16 years and 90% of your legacy is based on one season you not really a Hall of Famer

 

[Shadow King]

Also the Pro Bowl and All-Pro argument moving Forward is going to get odd. The modern Big 4 are all in the same conference so they can't rack up Bowls on one another.

And since AP1 QB = MVP you can't knock somebody for not having 3 or 4 AP1s.

 

[SchoolboyC]

I don’t think it’s clear that Eli is a Hall of Famer. Breh caught lightning in a bottle twice in those Super Bowl wins and his career has been overrated ever since

If we gonna be honest, Eli as a player was closer to the Joe Flacco-Matt Schaub-Carson Palmer tier than Peyton-Rodgers-Brees

1st ballot Hall of Very Good.

 

[FTBS]

That ring REALLY changed the way people talk about Stafford. I mean i've been a fan since I was a kid cause him and Calvin were amazing to watch, but folks used to talk to him like he was Kirk Cousins


Like, folks used to say "Imagine if Megatron had a elite QB in Detroit" recency bias a mf

Calvin said it himself. Matt was getting him killed out there and if they woulda looked out for him like they did Matt he woulda kept playing.


Stafford is the Kyrie of the NFL, players and fans alike are moved by his arm talent. That arm talent aint amount to shyt until he was in the perfect situation. Had plenty of good and really good situations but he only won when it all lined up perfectly.

 

[Rekkapryde]

2 pro bowls in 16 years is HOF?

Best of the Best is the Hall Of Fame.

Never made ONE All Pro?

Deion was right.

 

[Shadow King]

Calvin said it himself. Matt was getting him killed out there and if they woulda looked out for him like they did Matt he woulda kept playing.


Stafford is the Kyrie of the NFL, players and fans alike are moved by his arm talent. That arm talent aint amount to shyt until he was in the perfect situation. Had plenty of good and really good situations but he only won when it all lined up perfectly.

Most QBs essentially need a perfect situation to win a Super Bowl.

 

[horizon]

Media been swinging from his nuts since he been in LA and still only got one pro bowl there, in the weaker conference for QBs

Dude's postseason record is 1-5 outside the one season where everything lined up perfectly for him. Other than that he been an empty calorie box score stuffer.

He won a SB in his first season there so yeah I would think he earned recognition at that point and again pro bowls aren't the end all be all and I've already explained why. The Rams obviously didn't think Stafford was an empty calorie score stuffer because they traded Jared Goff (who made 4 pro bowls, guess that means they should've kept him?) for him.

 

[FTBS]

Most QBs essentially need a perfect situation to win a Super Bowl.

He needed a perfect situation to win his first playoff game.

 

[horizon]

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You're right but that doesn't change my opinion really

 

[Shadow King]

He needed to leave a historically garbage situation to win his first playoff game.

Fixed

 

[FTBS]

Fixed

Calvin and number 1 D= garbage?