Rick Ross throws Def Jam in the bushes, signs deal with Epic Records

[Pimp]

Slim thug is an exception, not the rule. Name 5 other artists in the game as saturated as it is that has it even similar to Slim Thug.

Businesses network everyone does. Google and Apple and Microsoft share patents. I said this in the movie thread about Mike Epps, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas are friends, they loan each other money and finance each others films and split profits, Spielberg and Ron Howard---these people are friends they put their money together, they break bread with each other. If Michael Bay wants to put out a money and he needs financing to get his ideas off the ground guess what, he calls his friends. He doesn't just go indie, spending his own cash just to do what he wants. Movies flop all the times but directors dont get fired, it's the game. Its business.

You're not talking music which makes your argument invalid

 

[ORDER_66]

A bunch of broke nikkaz who don't own they own business but has all the advice in the world to millionaires how to continue they career

U dudes are clueless as fukk

I know this.... I'd rather be independent and own 100% of my product instead of being screwed on a contract where they own 100% of your work and they RECOUP whatever advance they paid you ...



It's just common sense, but I'm broke what the fukk do I know???

 

[insomniac]

shyt ain't nothing but a loan breh


Of course, it's actually even more ridiculous than this report makes it out to be. Going back ten years ago, Courtney Love famously laid out the details of recording economics, where the label can make $11 million... and the actual artists make absolutely nothing. It starts off with a band getting a massive $1 million advance, and then you follow the money: What happens to that million dollars?

They spend half a million to record their album. That leaves the band with $500,000. They pay $100,000 to their manager for 20 percent commission. They pay $25,000 each to their lawyer and business manager.

That leaves $350,000 for the four band members to split. After $170,000 in taxes, there's $180,000 left. That comes out to $45,000 per person.

That's $45,000 to live on for a year until the record gets released.

The record is a big hit and sells a million copies. (How a bidding-war band sells a million copies of its debut record is another rant entirely, but it's based on any basic civics-class knowledge that any of us have about cartels. Put simply, the antitrust laws in this country are basically a joke, protecting us just enough to not have to re-name our park service the Phillip Morris National Park Service.)

So, this band releases two singles and makes two videos. The two videos cost a million dollars to make and 50 percent of the video production costs are recouped out of the band's royalties.

The band gets $200,000 in tour support, which is 100 percent recoupable.

The record company spends $300,000 on independent radio promotion. You have to pay independent promotion to get your song on the radio; independent promotion is a system where the record companies use middlemen so they can pretend not to know that radio stations -- the unified broadcast system -- are getting paid to play their records.

All of those independent promotion costs are charged to the band.

Since the original million-dollar advance is also recoupable, the band owes $2 million to the record company.

If all of the million records are sold at full price with no discounts or record clubs, the band earns $2 million in royalties, since their 20 percent royalty works out to $2 a record.

Two million dollars in royalties minus $2 million in recoupable expenses equals ... zero!

How much does the record company make?

They grossed $11 million.

It costs $500,000 to manufacture the CDs and they advanced the band $1 million. Plus there were $1 million in video costs, $300,000 in radio promotion and $200,000 in tour support.

The company also paid $750,000 in music publishing royalties.

They spent $2.2 million on marketing. That's mostly retail advertising, but marketing also pays for those huge posters of Marilyn Manson in Times Square and the street scouts who drive around in vans handing out black Korn T-shirts and backwards baseball caps. Not to mention trips to Scores and cash for tips for all and sundry.

Add it up and the record company has spent about $4.4 million.

So their profit is $6.6 million; the band may as well be working at a 7-Eleven.

this is why black music is dead.

the use of musical instruments are


i blame the the bland white.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

i think you skipped over the words ESTABLISHED ARTIST

first off... most artists never even get off their first deal... cause most deals are 5-6-7 albums long... and unless you selling that whole time... you're not going to get to release that many


and yes.... when most artists complete that deal..... they go indy... tell us all the rappers who completed a deal (not dropped) and went back to another major

Jay
Nas
Ll
Fab
Jada
Rick Ross
J cole
Scarface
Common
Bg
Lil Wayne
Juvi
Kanye


More artist resign to a major if they can. Most of them the only go Indy when they have no value

 

[Wildin]

You're not talking music which makes your argument invalid

I added some more shyt but people think 1 man can do it all by him damn self. It's just not possible. That like saying Lebron James can play all positions and win the championship by him damn self. He can't do it, it's not possible. And it's not about how talented you are or arent. Its like having a heavy squat. Sure you might be able to lift the weight yourself, you may be strong enough but you need a spotter. Ya'll choose to remain hardheaded though. It's not one size fits all. There are times like at the pinnacle, the peak of your career when its best to be on a major and times when its best to be independent, Some people might come in the game indy the sign on the a major, some might sign to a major then go indy, some might go back and forth. The same routes arent ever going to work for different people.

 

[Ineedmoney504]

I know this.... I'd rather be independent and own 100% of my product instead of being screwed on a contract where they own 100% of your work and they RECOUP whatever advance they paid you ...



It's just common sense, but I'm broke what the fukk do I know???

Well instead of working for somebody right now why don't u own your shyt, instead of being lazy and scared?

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

this is why black music is dead.

the use of musical instruments are


i blame the the bland white.

the labels are banks... they don't care if your music is good.. or great... they not giving you money cause they like your shyt


you are a number.... and based on that number, they will give you money... and they want all their money back, plus a profit


if you can do that... come on in eminem, jimmy iovine will suck your dikk now

if you can't... sorry rakim, jimmy iovine says you not looking like you gonna make back this money... bye bye now... and oh... we own the music you made too... peace

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

The nikka said he put that exact 60k into the streets. U think 3 keys is something to laugh about

Son yourself

you son yourself nikka... for believing these duck tales... nikkas was dropping 25 mixtapes and on tour and pushing coke

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Slim thug is an exception, not the rule. Name 5 other artists in the game as saturated as it is that has it even similar to Slim Thug.

Businesses network everyone does. Google and Apple and Microsoft share patents. I said this in the movie thread about Mike Epps, Steven Spielberg and George Lucas are friends, they loan each other money and finance each others films and split profits, Spielberg and Ron Howard---these people are friends they put their money together, they break bread with each other. If Michael Bay wants to put out a money and he needs financing to get his ideas off the ground guess what, he calls his friends. He doesn't just go indie, spending his own cash just to do what he wants. Movies flop all the times but directors dont get fired, it's the game. Its business.

The game aint free even if you're rich. Sure Spike Lee can go to locations and find people that will let him shoot with no permits (shooting on location and in areas require permits to cities $$$) hell he can find people to edit his movies and do shyt for free because he's Spike Lee and they want to come up.

Ross could start reachin out to cats on soundcloud, he can find some really talented and dope beat makers, find some dope cats to mix and master the beats, even get some bars and clubs to let him perform for free (as in he doesnt have to pay to rent the place out, but still gets a percentage of the door), he might be able to find some cats to press physical discs for him and some type of distrubution locally but he isn't going to be on sale in walmart and target (i dont know who else sells cds) and he isn't going platinum that way no how. You could argue that well for free even 25K is good or 50K. But it's not.

i think you're confusing indy with do it in your damn basement


indy labels have teams and do all the same stuff as a major


they just do less (money wise) so you get more percents


like i been saying... look at the game... last two albums on interscope got outsold by his first two albums on eOne (formally koch)



there's only 4 major labels people.... anything else is either a boutique or an indy

 

[insomniac]

fukk a Rick Ross. Shame that many blacks aren't aware or or acknowledge our heritage in American music.

These primitive crackers are monkey see monkey do.

 

[ORDER_66]

Well instead of working for somebody right now why don't u own your shyt, instead of being lazy and scared?

I'm writing my book right now as we speak, Already sent out for copyright bout a week ago, and about to trademark this bytch, I'm getting T-shirts and logo's drawn up soon after...

I just use my job to fund my business endeavors really...

I have a purpose. ain't no one lazy or scared...

 

[Ineedmoney504]

I'm writing my book right now as we speak, Already sent out for copyright bout a week ago, and about to trademark this bytch, I'm getting T-shirts and logo's drawn up soon after...

I just use my job to fund my business endeavors really...

I have a purpose. ain't no one lazy or scared...

Rick Ross doing the same thing x100 tho. He using record label money to fund his wing stops and bunches of houses he own rent out

 

[ORDER_66]

Rick Ross doing the same thing x100 tho. He using record label money to fund his wing stops and bunches of houses he own rent out

that makes absolutely NO sense....

 

[Wildin]

i think you're confusing indy with do it in your damn basement


indy labels have teams and do all the same stuff as a major


they just do less (money wise) so you get more percents


like i been saying... look at the game... last two albums on interscope got outsold by his first two albums on eOne (formally koch)



there's only 4 major labels people.... anything else is either a boutique or an indy

Most indies arent eating like that and neither are a lot of indy artists. There are some legit indies out there that are basically what doing it out of your basement would be like but business wise. Then there are indies which are really regular record companies and smaller divisions that give shyttier contracts and less hands on. Kind of like minor league baseball, Triple A farm team type shyt. You're a distant cousin to the Philadelphia Phillies, The Minnesota Whitefish or someshyt, but if you start to pop off any day you could get that 'call' and it's not because your special or you achieved your dream...it's because youve been signed all along and have been working in the business. Thus industry plants. A lot of people think artists are still being discovered in back rooms and in recording studios on happenstance, and just getting plucked off youtube because 'they are so talented' and 'so dope' when really they have agents and like plants have been around doing shyt one way or another for years.

nikkas arent coming off of their couches and out of their bedrooms and getting deals, ending up on mtv2 and being featured and shyt. And your damn sure not touching anyone who is signed, I dont care if your cousin Pookie used to sip 40's with snoop dogg in Long Beach. Them nikkas is on teams and are signing contracts.

 

[The Devil's Advocate]

Jay
Nas
Ll
Fab
Jada
Rick Ross
J cole
Scarface
Common
Bg
Lil Wayne
Juvi
Kanye


More artist resign to a major if they can. Most of them the only go Indy when they have no value

you sir... are an idiot

nas you are right... now he stuck on def jam and they won't even let him release his last album to get off... smooth move

jay - rocnation is not a major... and jay is in a 360 deal with them... sorry

fab - not sure he ever left def jam in the first place to complete his first deal... nope

jada - known dummy who was told by styles and sheek to stop fukking with majors and did it anyway... ended up crying on the radio months later cause he had no money

rick ross - there's 2

j cole - on rocnation, not a major, still his first contract... are you not understanding the question?

i think you trying to say LL - left def jam after complaining when jay was made president... named his last album with them exit 13 to say fukk you.... is currently on an indy label

scarface - rap a lot is a fukking indy label you dikk... you are really bad about this... his last album came out on another indy after he left rap a lot... so you loss twice

Common - started on an indy, relativity.. then went to a major... then to good music... but hey lets call that 3 for you

BG - cash money is an indy label.... i think you are confusing being distributed by a major, as being signed to a major

wanye, juvi - same fukking thing... cash money is an indy label with major distribution... like i been saying.. indy does NOT mean you do it yourself in your basement

kanye - still on his first deal.... when they split the roc, nikkas contracts stayed with def jam... he did not reup with them... he's still on their label






so out of all those names... i'm giving you 3


you sir do not know shyt about the music industry and i can see that clearly... i'm not going to bother with this anymore when you don't even know the difference between major, indy and boutique... nor direct signing and distribution