Rick Ross throws Def Jam in the bushes, signs deal with Epic Records

[FlyRy]

Good for him can't wait till NaS is free also.

His beats will be even worse

 

[Juneya]

Lol or did Def Jam throw Ross to the bushes?

Post of the thread

 

[JuvenileHell]

No way at 40 years old 10 years in the game I'm signing with any label. How you a boss and you have a boss?

Might as well call that boss daddy

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

I would have thought the old catalog and publishing belonged to def jam and again Ross doesn't go on big tours at all, Ross does more media tours then actually music tours it seems

It's a different game now. Labels & Execs are treating these artists Publishing/Catalogs like a trading card game. It's less of who (Def Jam) owns your music & more about who (L.A. Reid) owns you. I know a guy who was signed to Timbaland as a Writer, had a Publishing Deal with EMI & also signed to Atlantic as an Artist. All at the same time.

 

[scarlxrd]

Most of my friends are strictly Hip Hop/R&B Producers/Writers...

The only ones not eating are the same ones who wouldn't be smart enough to survive in Corporate America either. For example, I have 3 friends specifically who have degrees in business & 1 has one in Sociology. They're all eating VERY well in the Music Industry because they weren't DESPERATE to sign a contract because they had already established themselves before NEEDING money if that makes sense? But my friends who are your typical "I slept couch to couch to chase my dreams..." are all broke from signing stupid contracts/mishandling their money.

The Music Business is still a business, still a career... it's great if you treat it as such but those looking at it like a Get Rich Quick Scheme are the ones complaining there's no money in it because they don't have any. I worked in Healthcare for years before signing & moved around no different then anyone else. Had a job, a car, a crib & was living ok financially BEFORE any contracts were signed. Labels can smell desperation 3 states away which is why they sign dudes left & right who have NOTHING & give them NOTHING-CONTRACTS if that makes sense?

The only ones screaming no money were the cats with none to begin with who blew their advances on stupid ish. In a real world sense you'd be amazed how DUMB some of these dudes really are when it comes to just life in general & it reflects in their choice of career... Music just happens to be one they attempt to choose but they'd be dumb anywhere, feel me?

I believe I see what you're saying. Those behind the scene still make that consistent check, the ones who went into it for the music like producers, engineers, and such.

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

I believe I see what you're saying. Those behind the scene still make that consistent check, the ones who went into it for the music like producers, engineers, and such.

Yes. Usually the ones I notice that aren't into the fame & glamour of it all. Most successful live very normal quiet lives. The ones you see all over Social Media are usually the fronters with bad contracts just happy to be "there" if that makes sense. Benny Blanco has had about 15 #1 Billboard Hot100 hits since signing to Dr. Luke in 2007/08ish & you couldn't pick him out of a lineup meanwhile you have broke producers & writers whose main focus is to stunt & look important all over Social Media & Youtube LOOKING successful but they're jokes behind the scenes.

 

[Real N Quotes]

First of all Business 101...never use your own money.

Don't put your food money or house money up for collateral because when you fail and you will fail (a majority of business owners and especially enterntainers see unexpected, unwelcomed and unforseeable setbacks at least one time, at least) then your homeless and hungry. Although people talk about hunger as if it's motivating it really isn't.

When you sign a deal with a label you are working with a team. First of all 1 man, cannot do it all. Whether you are signed to a deal which is a collaborative network of businesses and enterprises that work together or are signed to an indie who have smaller deals with businesses whether locally or nationally you aren't doing it all yourself.

You aren't in your basement printing flyers, buy ink and papers, you aren't photoshopping your own flyers and going to various blogs and social media building your own name up, reaching out to bloggers and radio stations, internet websites booking interviews, reaching out to people to shoot videos and promos, reaching out to people who make gear to promote, building relationships and all that shyt. Not to mention reaching out to venues, scheduling booking etc.Theres so much work that goes into being an artist. Recording vocals, having shyt mixed and mastered...all shyt is time consuming, mad time consuming thus why all of these things are individual jobs or careers.

You work for a label you get to work with people and under people, if you brick on a major you can ghostwrite for the label, talent development, a&r...you brick indy, you go to mcdonalds or just go back home.

If you're banking on a major guess what, they put more money into your project- more budget, more promotion, bigger venues, better venues, longer tours, international tours, radio, tv, etc.
Im sorry its hard if you're indy to get on the tonight show and do the circuits, it's hard to headline madison square garden.

Sony music, sony pictures, universal pictures, universal music = cameo in a movie.

Signing to a major isn't the end all be all, indy is dope too but its not freedom, both are serious amounts of work. Yes if you work your contracts with indy you can keep your masters and own yourself but you are going to get 15 million youtube hits and achieve a level of stardom to where owning your masters is super necessary. People are still paying to play songs from the 60's and 80's in commericals and those artists are still getting residuals and havent performed in years! Moving paying to play songs and such---as an indie you keep your masters but it's not like your getting dikked around like that.

I wouldn't sign a recoding contract with a major today

Most of these cats are getting less than 100K advances on 6 albums with 360 deals

An indy mixtape rapper with a new music every quarter, 1 million REAL youtube hits, and 250 REAL twitter followers can make that in cash off of shows alone every 6 months

It may take 5 years to get there but the grind would be worth it if they are about that hustle

 

[Da King]

Meanwhile, :flabbynfif: getting sent out on a liquor store promo run by massa

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Ross aint moving units no where

High key that whole MMG wave is kinda dying down

 

[Calmye]

But u talking bout making a mill or 2 Or having the chance to make 10 due to your notoriety. Him being a major star has helped his business wit wing stop and other stuff, being on a Indy he doesn't have that same reach to do those things



50 said on his first deal he used the money and brought coke

oh I thought y'all was talking about the Aftermath deal

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

I wouldn't sign a recoding contract with a major today

Most of these cats are getting less than 50K advances on 6 albums with 360 deals

An indy mixtape rapper with a new music every quarter, 1 million REAL youtube hits, and 250 REAL twitter followers can make that in cash off of shows alone every 6 months

It may take 5 years to get there but the grind would be worth it if they are about that hustle

It's a new day & age. The funny part is a LOT of artists are signing for SALARY. The label will pay Artist X like $2,500 a month & if that artist stops doing their "job"... guess what?

 

[Wildin]

I wouldn't sign a recoding contract with a major today

Most of these cats are getting less than 100K advances on 6 albums with 360 deals

An indy mixtape rapper with a new music every quarter, 1 million REAL youtube hits, and 250 REAL twitter followers can make that in cash off of shows alone every 6 months

It may take 5 years to get there but the grind would be worth it if they are about that hustle

The grind and the hustle is what'll kill you. Finding that comfort zone to where you can wake up, not have to go to the studio, travel (not anywhere crazy like jamaica or france) and not have bills and shyt burning you is tough to achieve while truly independent. Even the MLB, NFL and NBA have offseasons shyt even 9-5's have sick leave and paid time off. That's why a lot of artists have other endeavors so they dont burn out, as an indy you can do that too but you have to have a passion. Ive worked 60 hour weeks and couldn't wait to get home to make beats every night for and hour or 2. a couple years went by real quick. I was passionate about it so It wasnt a waste of time or a struggle- I cant imagine wanting to be an artist and record, perform then mixing and making beats on the side for other acts to keep the lights on. But people do it and make a living off of it.

 

[Real N Quotes]

It's a new day & age. The funny part is a LOT of artists are signing for SALARY. The label will pay Artist X like $2,500 a month & if that artist stops doing their "job"... guess what?

fuk that

might as well get a job a job at a call center

decent salary, with benefits, 401k, and self respect



and be an indy artist on the side

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

fuk that

might as well get a job a job at a call center

decent salary, with benefits, 401k, and self respect



and be an indy artist on the side

That's how these Labels are weeding out people who really want to do this & the ones who think it's the Lottery if that makes sense? I agree with you...

 

[KravenMorehead™]

You can't write verses about raping women and expect your viability as an artist to maintain. Wale needs to get the fukk offa MMG