Rihanna ANTI is certified platinum

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Yes I know for a fact, PM me because I don't want to put it out here like that. I almost signed to Roc Nation myself & didn't because I saw how they operated if your name isn't Rihanna or are already a Platinum Writer/Producer/Artist & I would've been ignored completely & don't work half as hard as J. Cole. It used to be a running joke about Jay-Z & Cole never being pictured together except once but now all of a sudden it's Jay let him do him? Naw... Cole has done EVERYTHING himself & is a REAL EXAMPLE of hard work while never complaining about your Label while these other lazy ass artists like Rita Ora wouldn't know what hustle was if it slapped her in the face. J. Cole works too damn hard & I'm starting to notice his success being tied to Jay in any way shape or form.

Jay didn't do shyt for Cole & now that Cole is successful it's "Jay did a good job by not tryna force..." when he has NOTHING to do with Cole's success. Dude is a really great role model for hard work & it would be horrible if history started re-writing itself to give ANY sort of credit to Jay, feel me? Cole is one of the few artists who were on the 'tax write-off don't give a shyt' list that made something of himself by honest to God hard work so I always make sure to commend him for that because 90% of signed artists are lazy as hell, trust me...

Here's some Rep, we're not against each other here...

:ohhh: need that PM breh
 

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Yes I know for a fact, PM me because I don't want to put it out here like that. I almost signed to Roc Nation myself & didn't because I saw how they operated if your name isn't Rihanna or are already a Platinum Writer/Producer/Artist & I would've been ignored completely & don't work half as hard as J. Cole. It used to be a running joke about Jay-Z & Cole never being pictured together except once but now all of a sudden it's Jay let him do him? Naw... Cole hasdone EVERYTHING himself & is a REAL EXAMPLE of hard work while never complaining about your Label while these other lazy ass artists like Rita Ora wouldn't know what hustle was if it slapped her in the face. J. Cole works too damn hard & I'm starting to notice his success being tied to Jay in any way shape or form.

Jay didn't do shyt for Cole & now that Cole is successful it's "Jay did a good job by not tryna force..." when he has NOTHING to do with Cole's success. Dude is a really great role model for hard work & it would be horrible if history started re-writing itself to give ANY sort of credit to Jay, feel me? Cole is one of the few artists who were on the 'tax write-off don't give a shyt' list that made something of himself by honest to God hard work so I always make sure to commend him for that because 90% of signed artists are lazy as hell, trust me...

Here's some Rep, we're not against each other here...
This nikka said that he almost signed to Roc Nation but chose not to :martin:

Many artist's albums just don't see the light of day but Cole's did. The tax write off thing gets used by people who don't know what the duck is going on or how the tax system actually works. Btw, claiming that Cole did everything by himself is very naive and emblematic of the lack of business knowledge on display above. Inventory doesn't sell itself - you need to put down cash on distribution incl. Store space, marketing, manufacturing etc but I'll let you tell it with the :duck:
 

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This nikka said that he almost signed to Roc Nation but chose not to :martin:

Many artist's albums just don't see the light of day but Cole's did. The tax write off thing gets used by people who don't know what the duck is going on or how the tax system actually works. Btw, claiming that Cole did everything by himself is very naive and emblematic of the lack of business knowledge on display above. Inventory doesn't sell itself - you need to put down cash on distribution incl. Store space, marketing, manufacturing etc but I'll let you tell it with the :duck:

I'm not an artist & Roc Nation hasn't been the best place for Writers/Producers, etc... you know nothing about me or the Music Industry or my posting history here. Roc Nation was not the best place FOR ME. You have no idea how many Publishing/Management companies actually exist & I will not go back & forth with someone whose REP is in the Red like yours. They say REP is pointless on here but it's really a great way to avoid a lot of the ignorant & unintelligent posters... like yourself.
 

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People are complaining about Samsung/Rihanna deal but your favorite artist isn't getting the same kind of deal. You have to be at the top of the food chain to get these kinds of deals.
This is basically the music equivalent of a wall-street bailout.

Rihanna is too popular and valuable to the overall operation to fail, so they throw her a lifeboat and juke the numbers. She's big enough to qualify for this, but her brand is hurting if they have to this

The issue I have is that it is setting a precedent, and is 100% based in deceit.
 
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Cole has had the machine behind him since day 1.

No one thought he could end up being the 2nd biggest rapper in the game. (excluding legends like Jay and Kanye) but the building has been behind Cole since day 1
 

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Honestly, this debate happened in 2013 with Jay and I already showed the difference between U2 and Jay/Rihanna. I think the argument between the RIAA/Billboard is legitimate. But the thing with Jay and Rihanna is they both went gold the first week (it looks like Rihanna is about to do 400k minimum) afterwards so it made it a moot point. Let me put it like this, the average rapper who is hot with a mixtape is not getting 1 million downloads in 14 hours. You can tell because the best selling artists are also always the most bootlegged.

Breh TIDAL is just throwing out numbers at this point. Nobody in their right mind believes she's doing 400k first week. She ain't sold anywhere near 400k first week since 2005.

And before somebody claims I'm hating, Soundscan and Billboard aren't even counting those 1 million "sold" as legitimate. So yes, she has her plaque, but nobody that actually tracks records sold is taking this seriously.

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Breh TIDAL is just throwing out numbers at this point. Nobody in their right mind believes she's doing 400k first week. She ain't sold anywhere near 400k first week since 2005.

And before somebody claims I'm hating, Soundscan and Billboard aren't even counting those 1 million "sold" as legitimate. So yes, she has her plaque, but nobody that actually tracks records sold is taking this seriously.

Fred.
I'm confused. What does 2005 have to do with right now? Rihanna's album is number 1 on iTunes in 50 countries, and she has not released an album in 4 years...why wouldn't she do at least 400k? More people heard her song with Drake than Adele's Hello on it's first day. I This is different than when she was dropping back to back to back. The 400k has nothing to do with the other million. If Jay Z sold 500k first week after doing what he did, why wouldn't Rihanna after a 4 year hiatus? Justin Beiber just had a monster first week, one larger than he had ever had before after a 3 year hiatus and is sitting at something like 3.3 million sold worldwide. Why would Rihanna who is a bigger star than him not do the same? Please explain. The 400k has nothing to do with Tidal, fam, just say you don't follow the charts and be honest breh :russ:
 
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Naw dude, Jay didn't care about Cole at all. J. Cole had to do everything himself from setting up his own tours, video shoots, studio sessions to building his own fanbase. He's successful on his own hard work that had nothing to do with Jay & we shouldn't be giving Jay credit for Cole's success because he completely ignored his projects. This is like how cats say Jay-Z had anything to do with Neyo's success when Stargate & Compound were the teams behind him, Jay is just a name & figurehead.

And you're misreading it... I'm saying J Cole went GOLD (now Platinum) on his own hard work & still isn't being given special treatment by anybody at Roc Nation... dudes success is 100% hard work & struggle so I don't like how cats give Jay-Z any credit for Cole's success when he doesn't give a rats ass about dude...

Yeah, anyone who followed Cole's situation knew this was going on. It was clear as day, the sky is fukking blue, kind of shyt.

You're going to have to pm me because all you're saying is you know for a fact. I never say anything on this board without citing it. Like specifically state what a label is supposed to do that Jay and Roc Nation did not do for Cole. Everything else you said is Internet gossip and not insider information. How is saying not forcing Cole to do something he is not giving Jay all the credit? You just seem pressed to give Roc Nation no credit. Are we supposed to ignore the rise in interest in Cole right after he signed to Roc Nation? The fact that he was on the BP3 and the BP tour when no one knew who he was? Rihanna in his video? Wale felt Roc Nation gave Cole more love than him, etc. Jay Z signed Neyo that is the credit. Apparently label bosses have to write your songs to have an impact. You sound like you think Jay is supposed to an a and r. Every label has artists on the shelf. That is not convincing. So I'll wait for you to make your point because you're usually level headed and right now you sound like your mad.

Got a link? I haven't heard Wale say that. I've heard Wale say that roc nation was going in a different direction and focusing on athletes. He's also joked that light skinned rappers (Cole, Drake) have it easier than him.
 

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Yeah, anyone who followed Cole's situation knew this was going on. It was clear as day, the sky is fukking blue, kind of shyt.



Got a link? I haven't heard Wale say that. I've heard Wale say that roc nation was going in a different direction and focusing on athletes. He's also joked that light skinned rappers (Cole, Drake) have it easier than him.
PM to allow me to clear it up a bit...
 

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Adele has an old ass fan base that does not stream. Adele's fan base is white women between 28-44. These are the same people that used to buy Celine Dion. No one popping with young people is doing Adele numbers. Taylor Swift is around 8 million with every basic white girl, their parents who like her conservative image and Max Martin producing her hits. People stream and buy singles. Rihanna single sold like crazy that first day. Rihanna is the top selling digital artist of all time. If those was the 90s, Rihanna would have about 3 diamond albums. Drake would be doing 98 Hov numbers.

Easy to say that, none of these artists will pop in the 90's especially Rihannas non singing ass, that lane was already taken by other artists/
 
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