You just sound foolish now
Marci's co-sign was one of the biggest factors of GxFR taking off...
This the video that sparked it all featuring yours truly
Roc Marciano & Alchemist - The Elephant Man’s Bones (Discussion Thread)
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Never heard the appeal of his music
TheDarceKnight
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He absolutely did man. Like, it's fine to not like his music, and listening to his new shyt (very out there and experimental) is not the way to go in order to understand the shift that Roc helped usher in. We gotta respect the history, and Roc deserves his flowers for all the blessings we get musically all the time these days.
Marcberg from 2010 and Reloaded from 2012 massively paved the way for Griselda and the entire indie goon rap scene right now. It's undeniable. The artists and producers within the genre all agree on this. Alchemist and Daringer have stated multiple times that Roc Marci's production on those albums influenced their beatmaking style for the 2010's. Nicholas Craven literally just did a whole podcast episode on Crate 808s about how Marcberg influenced the whole game. You can credit the wave of drumless joints becoming popular almost entirely to Roc.
Roc appeared on early Griselda releases, most notably Rex Ryan and Omar's Coming. It may sound weird to you, but there was a time where Roc Marci had MUCH MORE juice than anyone in Griselda, and having a Roc Marci feature was a really big deal. Roc cosigning Griselda was a blessing for them. The way Roc was focusing on selling vinyl and merch. All of this stuff helped pave the way.
Roc has gone on to release some very weird and experimental music in the past 5 or 6 years, and he's strayed a lot from the traditional goon rap formula. But he definitely birthed the movement.
Roc Marciano: The Godfather of The Underground
“I’m the Godfather”: Roc Marciano Reflects on ‘Marcberg’ 10 Years Later
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TheDarceKnight
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You just sound foolish now
Marci's co-sign was one of the biggest factors of GxFR taking off...
This the video that sparked it all featuring yours truly
Ok now you're just being an idiot ignoring factual history. I'm not even really a fan of roc marci, but i'm not fuccin deaf and blind
Absolutely. @Heavy_Handz is a dope poster though, and I really think he'll come around.
@Morose Polymath I was there and remember Rex Ryan. It was a huge moment for the early era Griselda fans. There was a lot of excitement in the community at the prospect of Griselda expanding due to Roc Marci's verse. Because that joint came out before Omar's Coming, and then that one just further solidified things. The Alchemist tweets came within a month or two of Rex Ryan and also brought a lot of new fans to Griselda.
I know it's weird to think about now, because Griselda has become much more mainstream than Roc Marci, but being a Griselda fan in 2015 and even 2016 was very, very different than it is today. it's almost impossible to describe how different things were. Roc Marci was much more popular than than he is now, and Griselda was much less popular than they are now.
fukk ya'll, there was a freestyle from 2015 where Griselda fans were happy as fukk to see Roc walking in the room making a screw face during Conway's verse. Hit play and you'll see Roc walk through the door. Read the top comments under the video. They're all about Roc walking through the door making that face.
Marc is pretty much mid AF now. But Marcberg is better than anything those bums at Griselda can muster.
TheDarceKnight
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In hindsight it's crazy that people knew Mach-Hommy with Griselda before they knew Benny with Griselda.Hell yeah, the early days before people even knew who Benny was
You just sound foolish now
Marci's co-sign was one of the biggest factors of GxFR taking off...
This the video that sparked it all featuring yours truly
@Heavy_Handz your shoes are over used.
Heavy_Handz
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Yea, recently his shyt has been so wack. But I still don’t think he ever birthed anything just like Griselda didn’t birth anything. Maybe you can say Roc Marci brought that goon shyt more to the forefront of the underground movement I can agree there but he didn’t birth anything.
TheDarceKnight
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That's the thing though. There was no goon sub-culture scene when Marcberg dropped. It wasn't just that he brought it to the forefront, because it wasn't there until he dropped Marcberg and Reloaded.
That's what cats means when they say Roc paved the way. Sean Price (RIP) was sort of the true OG goon rapper that kind of laid the blueprint before the blog era began, and then he did the Snow Remix for Roc without Roc even asking him to, and that gave Roc a huge cosign. And Roc took that fukking ball and ran with it like crazy. Marcberg and Reloaded laid the foundations for what would become the definitive sound of the 2010's underground hip-hop sound.
It's not just cats on The Coli trying to sell you something. Listen to the dude's peers from producers to rappers. Basically everyone that's anyone worships dude and thanks him for the lanes he paved. Also on some business shyt he was one of the first doing boutique vinyls and then Griselda and Alchemist and others got on that wave.
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Piff Perkins
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Whether you want to say he birthed it or revived it Roc Marci did that shyt. It’s undeniable.
If you want to say Griselda took the ball and went farther, popularity wise, then of course that’s true. Roc Marci never broke into the general consciousness of rap shyt like they did. He wasn’t doing freestyles on Shade 45 consistently or getting shouted out by Drake.
Personally I was never a big Griselda fan and ignored much of their early output until Flygod was just impossible to avoid. Dunno if anyone agrees but it seemed like they hit right when Roc Marci was kind of fumbling. The poorly mixed, half assed release of Rosebudd’s Revenge in contrast to how well orchestrated the Griselda shyt was at that time…I get why they reached higher heights. Roc came back strong with his next albums but never caught up with them popularity wise.
One thing Roc could do to separate himself and regain momentum would be to drop some shyt you can actually bump in the whip. Give us those harder drums again.
If you want to say Griselda took the ball and went farther, popularity wise, then of course that’s true. Roc Marci never broke into the general consciousness of rap shyt like they did. He wasn’t doing freestyles on Shade 45 consistently or getting shouted out by Drake.
Personally I was never a big Griselda fan and ignored much of their early output until Flygod was just impossible to avoid. Dunno if anyone agrees but it seemed like they hit right when Roc Marci was kind of fumbling. The poorly mixed, half assed release of Rosebudd’s Revenge in contrast to how well orchestrated the Griselda shyt was at that time…I get why they reached higher heights. Roc came back strong with his next albums but never caught up with them popularity wise.
One thing Roc could do to separate himself and regain momentum would be to drop some shyt you can actually bump in the whip. Give us those harder drums again.
DrHackenbush
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Reloaded is 10 years old and rappers are still trying to catch up to it style wise
Bugzbunny129
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It kind of irks me when people give all the props to marci when imo this is just comeback kid syndrome all over; with a long line of direct influence.
before roc it was sean price with his second career
Before price mf doom
Before doom kool keith
Before keith came back out wu tang/rza/gza restablished themselves
Griselda is like the next jay elect, both got on late influenced by all the guys above. The entire griselda sound and influence comes from above. Same for roc imo.
i see people guve marcberg props but its reloaded that really started the ug rappers alp copying. But there were ug guys already doing that style before roc marci so idk. For example, jay elect restablished the drumless shyt before roc yet roc gets the credit. Jay elect is a wutang stan and did the ghostface rap over an existing record that was drumless with eternal sunshine. That record started this trend, by way of wu/rza, not what roc is doing.
before roc it was sean price with his second career
Before price mf doom
Before doom kool keith
Before keith came back out wu tang/rza/gza restablished themselves
Griselda is like the next jay elect, both got on late influenced by all the guys above. The entire griselda sound and influence comes from above. Same for roc imo.
i see people guve marcberg props but its reloaded that really started the ug rappers alp copying. But there were ug guys already doing that style before roc marci so idk. For example, jay elect restablished the drumless shyt before roc yet roc gets the credit. Jay elect is a wutang stan and did the ghostface rap over an existing record that was drumless with eternal sunshine. That record started this trend, by way of wu/rza, not what roc is doing.