Rodney Harrison says Peyton Manning is better than Tom Brady
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Styles and rules change. Players and coaches come and go. Scores of quarterbacks have started NFL games over the past decade-plus. But one thing about the New England Patriots remains as constant today as it was in 2001: they find a way to win with Tom Brady at quarterback.
The Patriots are now an incredible 139-39 in games started by Brady. Sunday's victory marks a milestone in the history of pro football.
Brady is now the first quarterback with 100 more wins than losses on his resume.
No team in the entire history of pro football has ever won games at such an incredible clip over such a long period. Not the dynastic Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys. None of them. The 1950s Browns came closest: they won at a higher clip, but over a much shorter time in the NFL.
In fact, no other quarterback, not even the legends of the position, is close to Brady's +100 win-loss margin.
Here's a look at how Brady's string of victories compare to a collection of the greatest, winningest, most prolific and most legendary long-term quarterbacks in the history of football. The players are listed in order of the difference between number of wins and losses (regular season only).
Joe Montana helped make the 49ers of the 1980s and 90s one of the great dynasties in history and with Bill Walsh they re-invented the concept of the passing game. Montana won 22 fewer games than Brady, with eight more losses.
Throw in the postseason, which includes a record 17 victories, and Brady’s Patriots are +110 in the win column: 156-46.
The Patriots are now an incredible 139-39 in games started by Brady. Sunday's victory marks a milestone in the history of pro football.
Brady is now the first quarterback with 100 more wins than losses on his resume.
No team in the entire history of pro football has ever won games at such an incredible clip over such a long period. Not the dynastic Packers, Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys. None of them. The 1950s Browns came closest: they won at a higher clip, but over a much shorter time in the NFL.
In fact, no other quarterback, not even the legends of the position, is close to Brady's +100 win-loss margin.
Here's a look at how Brady's string of victories compare to a collection of the greatest, winningest, most prolific and most legendary long-term quarterbacks in the history of football. The players are listed in order of the difference between number of wins and losses (regular season only).
- Tom Brady – 139-39 (+100)
- Peyton Manning – 156-70 (+86)
- Brett Favre – 186-112 (+74)
- Joe Montana – 117-47 (+70)
- John Elway – 148-82-1 (+66)
- Terry Bradshaw – 107-51 (+56)
- Roger Staubach – 85-29 (+56)
- Johnny Unitas – 118-64-4 (+54)
- Dan Marino – 147-93 (+54)
- Daryle Lamonica – 66-16-6 (+50)
- Ken Stabler – 96-49-1 (+47)
- Bart Starr – 94-47-6 (+47)
- Steve Young – 94-49 (+45)
- Jim Kelly – 101-59 (+42)
- Otto Graham – 57-13-1 (+44) (NFL only)
- Len Dawson – 94-57-8 (+37)
- Drew Brees – 102-70 (+32)
- Troy Aikman – 94-71 (+23)
- Frank Tarkenton – 124-109-6 (+15)
- Warren Moon – 102-101 (+1)
- Joe Namath – 62-63-4 (-1)
Joe Montana helped make the 49ers of the 1980s and 90s one of the great dynasties in history and with Bill Walsh they re-invented the concept of the passing game. Montana won 22 fewer games than Brady, with eight more losses.
Throw in the postseason, which includes a record 17 victories, and Brady’s Patriots are +110 in the win column: 156-46.
Freeney was one-dimensional and Sanders couldn't stay on the field. That Pats D as a whole was tougher and better. The year the Colts won kicking the 5 fg just happens to be the year where the defense played well throughout the postseason and Peyton had one of his worse individual runs and they won the SB. Just goes to show winning and losing in the playoffs is about more than the QB. Brady's recent struggles illustrate this as well.
Brady can make the Al Bundy's of the world look good. And when did he have talent at the skills positions.That said, Peyton is obviously more gifted than Brady. He's probably the most cerebral QB to ever play the game. He's damn near clairvoyant with his presnap reads.
with peyton
Brady can make the Al Bundy's of the world look good. And when did he have talent at the skills positions.
peyton made brandon stokely austin collie tony gonzalaez dallas clark, even eric decker look great i guaranteed ochincinco would of had a\of had a great year
Brady is 140-39 and made the Conference title game 7 years out of the 11 he's played. His struggle isn't Peyton's struggles lol. It's levels to this shyt. The two full seasons Bob Sanders played were two years that Peyton had defenses on par with the two best that Brady had. When he came back for the playoffs in 2006, the Colts were a new team. You know this. He was 2007 defensive player of the year lol, can't quite sweep that under the rug like you want to. Sure this is a team sport, but your main argument is rife in hypocrisy. Which one of Peyton's playoff losses would you blame the defense for? There's a whole lot to choose from. The 21-18 loss to Pittsburgh? The 23-17 loss to San Diego? The 17-16 loss to the Jets?
protestor
Man of the year
People who think Manning >>> Brady are so insecure. It's hilarious. The people who think otherwise give Peyton his props and move on, but Peyton advocates swear Brady sucks and blah blah blah....at this point we're not arguing with you...we're just pitying you.
What's crazy is for people so obsessed with Brady, it's hilarious how much you all seem to have never watched him play. This is Tom Brady who led the NFL in passing yards in 2005 without a 1,000 yard receiver and Deion Branch as his best player.
Peyton had two 1,000 yards receivers and Edge in the backfield getting his 1,500. You can't be serious. This is why I always said I never thought Brady was better than Peyton until the year he won that second SB ring. At that point it was apparent what would happen if he got weapons.
"Peyton's always had his WRs, why can't Tom Brady have his..." - Moss
I'm out of this this thread
Deion Branch would of been a 1200 yard reciever if he was playing with peyton he makes his recievers way better
Against Pittsburgh the defense gave up two TDs on the first two drives and put up no resistance as Pittsburgh ran the 4th qtr clock out. And then the most accurate kicker ever missed a 46 yder home in a dome.
Against SD Indy was a 12 win team going on the road to play an 8 win team and Sproles ran wild on them cats including the first possession in overtime.
Against the Jets, one of Peyton's receivers dropped a pass that would have pretty much ended the game and then the special teams and defense let the Jets drive right down the field with less than a minute left for GW FG.
I never denied the impact of the defense on the SB run so I am not sure what you are trying to get at there.
My main argument is that many factors outside of the QBs greatness contribute to winning an losing, especially in the playoffs. And I have been rather consistent in that. This "Brady is such a winner but the last 8 years either don't count or there are pleas to cop" bullshyt is hypocritical. Brady has been better over the last 8 years than he was when they were winning SBs and yet he hasn't won shyt in those 8 years. That just supports my stance.
Field Marshall Bradley
Veteran
What's Brady's legacy if Vinateri doesn't make those kicks?
You see how that works?
BLAZO da GAWD
Superstar
No, I don't actually. A missed field goal wouldn't have guaranteed those opposing teams a win. In addition, if all you need is a field goal to win, then you adjust your plans and plays for that scenario. Brady still had to get his team in position to kick the field goal, did he not?
What has Brady done without Beli? Lost his starting job to a freshman? Got passed over by every team 5 times a piece in the draft?
Carlos Huerta
Just keep my rep red
BLAZO da GAWD
Superstar
How is the relevant to his pro career?
If anything this is a testament of Brady's gawd status. Rose from the ashes en route to becoming the greatest quarterback of our generation.
How is the relevant to his pro career?
If anything this is a testament of Brady's gawd status. Rose from the ashes en route to becoming the greatest quarterback of our generation.
He's played his whole pro career with Beli so that's really all we got in terms of Brady without Beli. It's not like anyone was predicting that he'd be anywhere near the greatest QB of the generation before he got with Beli.
BLAZO da GAWD
Superstar
There is more evidence of players having HOF careers despite being drafted late (Jerry Rice, T.O., Joe Montana, etc) than coaches being terrible at first and then turning into GOAT's.
Don't get me misunderstood though. Brady and Belicheck are complements of one another. Neither would be as accomplished as they are today without each other.