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You said Obama was among the worst, then said not to bring up history.
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I ask you to explain your position and you call me a dikk rider, them spin tactics.
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This guy is consistently clueless on logical progression. He has some of the WOAT arguments on Higher Learning.


Tried to argue that Obamacare was killing people in massive numbers and lowered American life expectancy.

Tried to argue that obesity DOESN'T lower American life expectancy.

Tried to argue that fast food was healthy, no worse for you than any other food, and doesn't affect obesity.

Tried to claim, "There is no unhealthy food".

Tried to claim "bartering is a form of capitalism".

Tried to argue that poor people who haven't paid back their medical debts are low-lifes and that debt collection agencies who lie and intimidate poor people are the good guys.

Tried to argue that we should abolish the FDA and stop regulating chemicals in our food or the pharmaceutical market.

Tried to use a Heritage Foundation claim to describe the ideal Indian economy.

Tried to beg God for the House repeal of Obamacare to go through.

Claimed that repealing Obamacare and getting rid of Medicare subsidies was a good voter issue for the GOP.

Tried to claim that health insurance prices would come down if it wasn't mandated anymore.

Tried to claim that he doesn't support supply-side economics in a post where he argued for the exact definition of supply-side economics.

Tried to claim the absolute nonsense Trump speaks when he doesn't understand an issue is no different than Obama's speeches.

Tried to argue that America was responsible for Erdogen being a ruthless dictator.

Tried to argue that we shouldn't reduce gas and meat consumption for the sake of the environment.

Tried to argue that Lincoln was killed because he was a "crooked politician", and not because his assassin was a racist White pro-slavery Confederate sympathizer.

Claimed that after he won the war, Lincoln was "one of the most hated presidents in American history."

Tried to post quotes from a book by a White Southern NeoConfederate sympathizer to make his arguments about Lincoln, then said he "didn't care" if his sources were pro-Confederate.

Tried to argue that no one really liked Lincoln until public school indoctrination in the 1920s.

Tried to claim the 13th Amendment addressed Black citizenship and that the 15th Amendment was passed before Lincoln died.

And his "Christmas and Saturnia" arguments showed some of the worst inability to read an opposing argument I've ever seen here.


And on and on and on....
 

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This guy is consistently clueless on logical progression. He has some of the WOAT arguments on Higher Learning.


Tried to argue that Obamacare was killing people in massive numbers and lowered American life expectancy.

Tried to argue that obesity DOESN'T lower American life expectancy.

Tried to argue that fast food was healthy, no worse for you than any other food, and doesn't affect obesity.

Tried to claim, "There is no unhealthy food".

Tried to claim "bartering is a form of capitalism".

Tried to argue that poor people who haven't paid back their medical debts are low-lifes and that debt collection agencies who lie and intimidate poor people are the good guys.

Tried to argue that we should abolish the FDA and stop regulating chemicals in our food or the pharmaceutical market.

Tried to use a Heritage Foundation claim to describe the ideal Indian economy.

Tried to beg God for the House repeal of Obamacare to go through.

Claimed that repealing Obamacare and getting rid of Medicare subsidies was a good voter issue for the GOP.

Tried to claim that health insurance prices would come down if it wasn't mandated anymore.

Tried to claim that he doesn't support supply-side economics in a post where he argued for the exact definition of supply-side economics.

Tried to claim the absolute nonsense Trump speaks when he doesn't understand an issue is no different than Obama's speeches.

Tried to argue that America was responsible for Erdogen being a ruthless dictator.

Tried to argue that we shouldn't reduce gas and meat consumption for the sake of the environment.

Tried to argue that Lincoln was killed because he was a "crooked politician", and not because his assassin was a racist White pro-slavery Confederate sympathizer.

Claimed that after he won the war, Lincoln was "one of the most hated presidents in American history."

Tried to post quotes from a book by a White Southern NeoConfederate sympathizer to make his arguments about Lincoln, then said he "didn't care" if his sources were pro-Confederate.

Tried to argue that no one really liked Lincoln until public school indoctrination in the 1920s.

Tried to claim the 13th Amendment addressed Black citizenship and that the 15th Amendment was passed before Lincoln died.

And his "Christmas and Saturnia" arguments showed some of the worst inability to read an opposing argument I've ever seen here.


And on and on and on....

For someone who thinks they are so smart you would think you would be able to actually back up your point in the thread in which we actually have discussions.
Looks like all you can really do is peddle lies and dnc talking points.
Shouldn't be surprised though, since you and your ilk are often delusional.
You make all these claims please source them with my posts.

The real funny one is the claim I begged God for something, when I don't even believe in god.
 

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For someone who thinks they are so smart you would think you would be able to actually back up your point in the thread in which we actually have discussions.

I do, in detail, every time. :comeon:



Looks like all you can really do is peddle lies and dnc talking points.

Wait, when have I EVER lied or supported the DNC?



Shouldn't be surprised though, since you and your ilk are often delusional.

Who the hell are my "ilk? I doubt you even know where I am on the political spectrum. Your reading comprehension is so terrible that you often appear unable to even understand what you are reading.



You make all these claims please source them with my posts.

Are you actually implying that you didn't argue those things?



The real funny one is the claim I begged God for something, when I don't even believe in god.

I can't help what you believe, you said it. :hubie:

thank god. Please let this go through
 

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You make all these claims please source them with my posts..

Why, when after I post them, you'll just deflect, move the goalposts, or try to argue you were right no matter how much proof in the opposite direction is posted?



Tried to argue that Obamacare was killing people in massive numbers and lowered American life expectancy here:

Obamacare Is Literally Killing Us

Obamacare has led to a increase in US death rate



Tried to argue that obesity DOESN'T lower American life expectancy here:

That said again you had higher growth rates for adult obesity and childhood obesity and yet continued growth in health care stats such as life expectancy and lowering death rate, so I would say there is no basis on those arguments as well.
the rate of growth in obesity was greater in the 80s and 90s than it has been in the 00s and 10s yet its only now that we are experiencing a decline in health metrics after government subsidized insurance was implemented. It points to the fast food and obesity angle not providing causation or correlation to the life expectancy or death rate. You have yet to present anything to support your contention.
The rate that rose was largely adult obesity rate, adults, it did not correspond in the 60s (rate was rising) the 70s (rate was rising) with reduction in life expectancy or increase in death rate. we never saw that , instead we saw health metrics rise positively. As for your contention that obesity leads to death, scientifically there isn't much support for that.

(Somehow, David ignorantly was unable to realize that people getting fatter in the 80s and 90s IS what causes them to stop dropping in the 00s and 10s. He apparently thinks that I was arguing fat people drop dead the moment they hit 3 bills at the age of 30, rather than actually getting an early death at the age of 50 BECAUSE they already were obese by the age of 30.)



Tried to argue that fast food was healthy, no worse for you than any other food, and doesn't affect obesity here:

Fast food isn't unhealthy
Fast food isn't incredibly unhealthy, its food. There is nothing unsafe about white bread. There is nothing wrong with meat with high fat content. French fries aren't soaked in oil, the deep fry process doesn't soak the food with oil when done properly, it crisps up the outside and traps moisture inside what is being fried. Corn syrup isn't unhealthy, vegetable oil isn't unhealy. Sodas are high in calories, but they aren't inherently unhealthy either.
As for obesity and gaining wait, it is scienfically purely a caloric intake and burning issue, that is how your body sees it, there is no difference in calories from fast food, organic food, or etc. Its calories.

(Somehow, David is completely ignorant of everything about nutrition and how the human body works, believing that "calories are calories" and your body processes them the same way no matter how you intake them.)



Tried to claim "bartering is a form of capitalism" here:

Bartering is a form of capitalism.

(David seems to think "capitalism" and "economic transaction" are synonymous, except when it hurts his agenda like when he said "crony capitalism is not capitalism!)



Tried to argue that poor people who haven't paid back their medical debts are low-lifes and that debt collection agencies who lie and intimidate poor people are the good guys here:

Nice sentiment, but I fail to understand how collecting on debt is evil or unethical, immoral, or wrong.
If anything the people who borrow money and refuse to pay it back are the low lifes. IMHO
I've seen the segment and Ive seen previous segments from Dateline and I believe 20/20 regarding the process as well. And the fact still remains, there is nothing wrong with annoying people to pay back what they owe.
Well that is actually what they do, they lie, embarass and annoy to get there money.
If you ignore the fact that the reason they do this is because they are owed money, you might have a point.
Have they paid what they owe?
Simple question with a simple answer.



Tried to argue that we should abolish the FDA and stop regulating chemicals in our food or the pharmaceutical market here:

Yes remove the FDA



Tried to use a Heritage Foundation claim to describe the ideal Indian economy here:

Heritage foundation review of economic policy and freedom in India point to a very broken system
From my study it seems very little capital comes in because of government regulation
Heritage article.



Tried to beg God for the House repeal of Obamacare to go through here:

thank god. Please let this go through



Claimed that repealing Obamacare and getting rid of Medicare subsidies was a good voter issue for the GOP here;

I think you overrate how universally poor reception and support for obamacare is.
I don't see any danger for the GOP next election cycle coming off of this, especially in the Senate.



Tried to claim that he doesn't support supply-side economics in a post where he argued for the exact definition of supply-side economics here:

That said there is one claim you make that I will correct. I'm not a supply sider nor do I advocate it,

That said emotional appeals to stealing money from the productive to the non-productive class doesn't sway me, and using flawed economic examples based on a complete lack of understand for capital investment and innovation and the benefit of that investment and innovation definitely won't change my opinion. You want better life, open of trade and remove barriers, this will drive the cost of goods down and lower the cost for the standard of living. This lowered cost allows more disposable income, disposable income allows for capital investment and/or more retail opportunity which enlarges consumer market and creates more jobs, which feeds into itself in creating higher efficiency, driving the cost of goods down, and feeding into itself lifting all of society up, instead of killing all economic growth with a UBI, and driving people out of the labor force and disincentivizing them from ever even getting in.
What you are suggesting isn't something new, entitlements in Rome, England, you don't ease poverty by redistributing the wealth of the productive class. You decrease it by increasing productivity, by increasing markets, and easing regulation and allowing capitalism to thrive.

Wikipedia says:

Supply-side economics is a macroeconomic theory that argues economic growth can be most effectively created by investing in capital and by lowering barriers on the production of goods and services. It was started by Robert Mundell, who won the 1999 Nobel Prize for Economics, during the Ronald Reagan administration. According to supply-side economics, consumers will then benefit from a greater supply of goods and services at lower prices; furthermore, the investment and expansion of businesses will increase the demand for employees and therefore create jobs. Typical policy recommendations of supply-side economists are lower marginal tax rates and less government regulation.



Tried to claim the absolute nonsense Trump speaks when he doesn't understand an issue is no different than Obama's speeches here:

Donald Trump Holds a Micro Press Conference, Comes Off As an Idiot

No different than the BS Obama, Bush 2nd said.



Tried to argue that America was responsible for Erdogen being a ruthless dictator here:

Turkey's Constitutional Referendum Vote

Erdogan trying to be usurped by US backed groups in the Turkish government led by a man in the US in government care in the US doesn't provide legitimacy the the staged coup by Erdogan which led to this shyt?

US meddling has consequences directly and indirectly and this is a consequence of US foreign policy. IMHO.



Tried to argue that we shouldn't reduce gas and meat consumption for the sake of the environment here:

Arnold Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a fukk if we agree about climate change.

I believe livestock emits more greenhouse and more potent greenhouse gas (methane has 23x more effect on climate than CO2) than the transportation sector. Should we kill all the cows too? Is it better we kill some of the people too so that the "earth mother" stays safe?
Human beings should absolutely consume less meat and milk, that is correct :ehh:
how noble of you to take it upon yourself to make this determination for all others



Tried to argue that Lincoln was killed because he was a "crooked politician", and not because his assassin was a racist White pro-slavery Confederate sympathizer here:

How did Lincoln get shot for slavery when he was shot after the war?
He was shot because he was a crooked politian hated by northerns and southerners.



Claimed that after he won the war, Lincoln was "one of the most hated presidents in American history" here:

At his death Lincoln was actually one of the most hated presidents in US history..
 
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Tried to post quotes from a book by a White Southern NeoConfederate sympathizer to make his arguments about Lincoln, then said he "didn't care" if his sources were pro-Confederate here:

You don't seem to be able to sift history outside of your own opinion, which you probably got from a youtube video by some NeoConfederate or some idiot who listens to them.

As for Neo-confederate, hardly, I have no love for the conferderates just like I have no love for the union and the present day US.

I have a book The Real Lincoln by Tom DiLorenzo that goes more into the actual goings on at the time regarding the hate that Lincoln had even post death.

Hahahha - Tom DiLorenzo is associated with those very "NeoConfederates" that you claim you're not associated with!
The Southern Poverty Law Center in 2004 described DiLorenzo as one of "the intellectuals who form the core of the modern neo-Confederate movement." The center spotlighted his thoughts on Lincoln, his teaching affiliation with the League of the South and his faculty position with the Ludwig von Mises Institute, which it described as a "hard-right libertarian foundation in Alabama."

Beirich said DiLorenzo is linked to the League of the South by shared views on Lincoln and the Civil War. "He is probably the leading Lincoln revisionist out there," she said. "I'm not sure I would call him a hate peddler, but he promotes a really distorted view of the Civil War. … Whitewashing slavery is a bad thing."

Beirich also noted a 1995 essay under DiLorenzo's name in the Journal of Historical Review, a publication primarily known for Holocaust denial. DiLorenzo said the journal must have used the piece, defending South Carolina's flying of the Confederate battle flag, without his permission.
Thomas DiLorenzo, a Loyola professor since 1992, was in Washington on Wednesday to testify at a House subcommittee hearing on the Federal Reserve Bank. But Rep. William Lacy Clay, a Democrat from St. Louis, quickly raised questions about DiLorenzo's ties to the League of the South, which is listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

"You work for a Southern nationalist organization that espouses very radical notions about American history and the federal government," said Clay in a volley that has become popular blog fodder over the past two days.
A secessionist Web site, DumpDC, identified DiLorenzo the same way last year when it published an interview with DiLorenzo in which he is quoted as saying "secession is not only possible but necessary if any part of America is ever to be considered 'the land of the free' in any meaningful sense."
Heidi Beirich, research director for the Southern Poverty Law Center, said DiLorenzo spoke at a League of the South event as recently as 2009 and has been listed as an affiliated scholar in the organization's publications over the years.


I don't care who Tom is associated with.



Tried to argue that no one really liked Lincoln until public school indoctrination in the 1920s here:

It wasn't actually until the 1920s and years of public school indocrtination of "honest abe" myth that Lincoln began to become "beloved" in the US. Like I said he was mired in scandal throughout his life and largely hated during his presidency and at the time of his death.



Tried to claim the 13th Amendment addressed Black citizenship and that the 15th Amendment was passed before Lincoln died here:

Like I said Lincoln wasn't killed because of black citizenship. 13th and 15th addressed those questions.



And his "Christmas and Saturnia" arguments showed some of the worst inability to read an opposing argument I've ever seen here:

Why do most "Christians" celebrate Xmas in a pagan way?
 

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This guy is consistently clueless on logical progression. He has some of the WOAT arguments on Higher Learning.


Tried to argue that Obamacare was killing people in massive numbers and lowered American life expectancy.

Tried to argue that obesity DOESN'T lower American life expectancy.

Tried to argue that fast food was healthy, no worse for you than any other food, and doesn't affect obesity.

Tried to claim, "There is no unhealthy food".

Tried to claim "bartering is a form of capitalism".

Tried to argue that poor people who haven't paid back their medical debts are low-lifes and that debt collection agencies who lie and intimidate poor people are the good guys.

Tried to argue that we should abolish the FDA and stop regulating chemicals in our food or the pharmaceutical market.

Tried to use a Heritage Foundation claim to describe the ideal Indian economy.

Tried to beg God for the House repeal of Obamacare to go through.

Claimed that repealing Obamacare and getting rid of Medicare subsidies was a good voter issue for the GOP.

Tried to claim that health insurance prices would come down if it wasn't mandated anymore.

Tried to claim that he doesn't support supply-side economics in a post where he argued for the exact definition of supply-side economics.

Tried to claim the absolute nonsense Trump speaks when he doesn't understand an issue is no different than Obama's speeches.

Tried to argue that America was responsible for Erdogen being a ruthless dictator.

Tried to argue that we shouldn't reduce gas and meat consumption for the sake of the environment.

Tried to argue that Lincoln was killed because he was a "crooked politician", and not because his assassin was a racist White pro-slavery Confederate sympathizer.

Claimed that after he won the war, Lincoln was "one of the most hated presidents in American history."

Tried to post quotes from a book by a White Southern NeoConfederate sympathizer to make his arguments about Lincoln, then said he "didn't care" if his sources were pro-Confederate.

Tried to argue that no one really liked Lincoln until public school indoctrination in the 1920s.

Tried to claim the 13th Amendment addressed Black citizenship and that the 15th Amendment was passed before Lincoln died.

And his "Christmas and Saturnia" arguments showed some of the worst inability to read an opposing argument I've ever seen here.


And on and on and on....

Why, when after I post them, you'll just deflect, move the goalposts, or try to argue you were right no matter how much proof in the opposite direction is posted?



Tried to argue that Obamacare was killing people in massive numbers and lowered American life expectancy here:



Obamacare has led to a increase in US death rate



Tried to argue that obesity DOESN'T lower American life expectancy here:





(Somehow, David ignorantly was unable to realize that people getting fatter in the 80s and 90s IS what causes them to stop dropping in the 00s and 10s. He apparently thinks that I was arguing fat people drop dead the moment they hit 3 bills at the age of 30, rather than actually getting an early death at the age of 50 BECAUSE they already were obese by the age of 30.)



Tried to argue that fast food was healthy, no worse for you than any other food, and doesn't affect obesity here:





(Somehow, David is completely ignorant of everything about nutrition and how the human body works, believing that "calories are calories" and your body processes them the same way no matter how you intake them.)



Tried to claim "bartering is a form of capitalism" here:



(David seems to think "capitalism" and "economic transaction" are synonymous, except when it hurts his agenda like when he said "crony capitalism is not capitalism!)



Tried to argue that poor people who haven't paid back their medical debts are low-lifes and that debt collection agencies who lie and intimidate poor people are the good guys here:








Tried to argue that we should abolish the FDA and stop regulating chemicals in our food or the pharmaceutical market here:





Tried to use a Heritage Foundation claim to describe the ideal Indian economy here:






Tried to beg God for the House repeal of Obamacare to go through here:





Claimed that repealing Obamacare and getting rid of Medicare subsidies was a good voter issue for the GOP here;





Tried to claim that he doesn't support supply-side economics in a post where he argued for the exact definition of supply-side economics here:






Wikipedia says:





Tried to claim the absolute nonsense Trump speaks when he doesn't understand an issue is no different than Obama's speeches here:

Donald Trump Holds a Micro Press Conference, Comes Off As an Idiot





Tried to argue that America was responsible for Erdogen being a ruthless dictator here:

Turkey's Constitutional Referendum Vote





Tried to argue that we shouldn't reduce gas and meat consumption for the sake of the environment here:

Arnold Schwarzenegger: I don’t give a fukk if we agree about climate change.







Tried to argue that Lincoln was killed because he was a "crooked politician", and not because his assassin was a racist White pro-slavery Confederate sympathizer here:





Claimed that after he won the war, Lincoln was "one of the most hated presidents in American history" here:

Tried to post quotes from a book by a White Southern NeoConfederate sympathizer to make his arguments about Lincoln, then said he "didn't care" if his sources were pro-Confederate here:
















Tried to argue that no one really liked Lincoln until public school indoctrination in the 1920s here:





Tried to claim the 13th Amendment addressed Black citizenship and that the 15th Amendment was passed before Lincoln died here:





And his "Christmas and Saturnia" arguments showed some of the worst inability to read an opposing argument I've ever seen here:

Why do most "Christians" celebrate Xmas in a pagan way?

:ohhh::picard::huhldup: :damn: normally you save this type of all out bombardment for Kobe stans. This might be even more thorough.
 

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Tried to post quotes from a book by a White Southern NeoConfederate sympathizer to make his arguments about Lincoln, then said he "didn't care" if his sources were pro-Confederate here:
















Tried to argue that no one really liked Lincoln until public school indoctrination in the 1920s here:





Tried to claim the 13th Amendment addressed Black citizenship and that the 15th Amendment was passed before Lincoln died here:





And his "Christmas and Saturnia" arguments showed some of the worst inability to read an opposing argument I've ever seen here:

Why do most "Christians" celebrate Xmas in a pagan way?

I provided newspaper citation of Lincoln not beling beloved and involved in scandal. That is fact.
Go ahead and post the whole thread breh.
Also the real funny part is ignoring my main point that Lincoln himself was a fukking racist and the north was no different than the south.
Wouldn't expect a indian from canada to really understand that though.

As for Christmas and Saturnalia, you didn't post anything again. Wonder why, probably because you know you are full of bullshyt like usual.
 

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damn dankster, that's some serious receipt showing right there. whitney (RIP) would be proud.

:ohhh::picard::huhldup: :damn: normally you save this type of all out bombardment for Kobe stans. This might be even more thorough.

He particularly annoys me, because:

1. He posts bullshyt arguments designed by White supremacist capitalists to maintain their power.

2. When I post extensive rebuttals with cites, he consistently shows an utter failure to understand any argument that pokes holes in what he's chosen to believe.

3. He then repeatedly comes back later and claims I never posted a rebuttal for the exact thing I rebutted.


This ain't even the first time I'd given him the all-out bodyslam, because he just straight lies about what has or hasn't been posted in threads.
 
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