Anyone, ANYONE, read this thread that David started and try to buy his claim that "Obamacare is literally killing people" is not what he's arguing.
Obamacare has led to a increase in US death rate
I don't have to argue for anyone. I literally respond to what you typed.
You claim you are quoting what I said, you don't quote what I say, you quote the title for a article I posted.
You lied, the funny part is I then quote for you what I actually wrote in that post. LOL
You're still trying to argue that fast food isn't unhealthy.
McDonald's
got caught telling their employees not to eat too much of their own food, when it got exposed it was a publicity disaster so of COURSE McDonalds tried to backtrack and claim that that's not what they meant. But here were their exact words:
“Fast foods are quick, reasonably priced, and readily available alternatives to home cooking,” a post on the site said, according to US business news channel CNBC. “While convenient and economical for a busy lifestyle, fast foods are typically high in calories, fat, saturated fat, sugar, and salt and may put people at risk for becoming overweight.”
It featured a picture of a cheeseburger with fries and a cola drink, which was captioned “unhealthy choice”, and another of a glass of water, salad and a ham and salad sandwich, which it described as a “healthier choice”.
“Although not impossible it is more of a challenge to eat healthy when going to a fast food place,” it said.
“In general, avoiding items that are deep fried are your best bet … limit the extras such as cheese, bacon, and mayonnaise. Eat at places that offer a variety of salads, soups and vegetables to maintain your best health.”
You literally took McDonalds' damage control by their public relations side as proof that McDonalds food isn't actually bad for you.
Not trying to argue anything, its simply a fact.
I posted the info that, was scientific, that confirmed what I said. Period.
You posted shyt from propaganda sites, not scientific peer reviewed studies.
Why haven't you dealt with that University of Michigan Medical School link I just posted stating that such highly processed fast food is unhealthy?
So you supposedly have a random PDF with a link that doesn't work claiming that fast food isn't unhealthy, and I have a statement from the exact same source claiming that fast food IS unhealthy.
Sounds like you have a great argument there.
This literally makes no logical sense. I don't control the UM site nor do I have a copy of the pdf. When I linked it, it was active link, it is no longer active. Simple fact. The onus isn't on me now to make the link work.
I can get another link if you want though
Is Junk Food to Blame | Food and Brand Lab
Here is a picture if you want help
Is Junk Food to Blame Infographic | Food and Brand Lab
Even if you DID find a PDF claiming that fast food isn't unhealthy but eating too many calories is, that completely ignores the fact that study after study shows that eating fast food causes people to eat more calories, and fast food lacks nutrition in ways that have nothing to do with calories.
Do you seriously believe that nutritional eating is about counting calories and nothing else?
Post a study that shows eating fast food causes people to eat more calories
You won't find it linked to fast food more than sugary drinks, which is supposed to be linked to, guess it? High fructose corn syrup, and guess what, I linked you to the medical paper that shows there is no scientific evidence to support that claim.
No, I didn't say ANYTHING about HFCS doing that, and my argument had nothing to do with HFCS.
This was what I said. It has NOTHING to do with HFCS at all, NOTHING to do with "disrupting signals". I don't even think you're a liar, you just are so bad at reading that you don't know any better:
I never said you said HFCS and I still haven't. LOL
You have poor reading.
I specifically addressed your contention that fast food caused weight gain by making them eat too many calories, you did claim that it caused your body to disrupt the body in signaling that its full. Remeber when you wrote this?
You claim it's just a calorie relation, while appearing to be clueless about why people eat too many calories. Your body has natural mechanisms that tell you when you're full. Eat fresh fruits and vegetables and a well-rounded diet, and these mechanisms get triggered. Eat empty calories, and the mechanisms get ignored - either because your body keeps yearning after missing nutrients from the poorly balanced foods or being there is a high calorie-to-food-bulk ratio. Also, eat pre-made high-calorie meals, rather than food at home, and you'll tend to stuff more calories in you. Studies have shown that children eat 200-300 more calories per meal when they eat fast food than when they eat at home.
That is you claiming fast food does what I wrote. Now again the argument some present scientifically is that this is because of HFCS, I simply addressed the supposed culprit and showed you scientific evidence doesn't support the contention that Fast food or pre-packaged food does what you claim.
I said that fast food has missing nutrients. I said that fast food has a high calorie-to-food-bulk ratio. I said that you tend to stuff more calories into yourself when you eat pre-made high-calorie meals rather than eating food at home. I say NOTHING about HFCS or any magic chemical that "disrupts signals".
Now, will you apologize yet again for calling me a "liar" and "intellectually dishonest"???
No you wrote that your body's natural mechanisms fails when you eat empty calories, high caloric ratio food, and poorly balanced foods (don't know what this really means) but you wrote it and I posted it for you, since it seems you forgot.
Nothing for me to apologize, you wrote it.
No, that link is "literally" from a anti-dieting advocate writing in the New York Post.
And the CDC scientist she quotes says there is a "U-shaped curve", not "no connection". You don't know what a U-shaped curve is, do you.
A "U-shaped curve" with obesity on one end of the U shows that there IS a connection between obesity and mortality.
This undercover brother
still trying to argue that obese people aren't more likely to die that non-obese people.
No what I cited is from a CDC scientist, which is why I literally post the exact words from the CDC scientist describing her own study, that you simply refuse to read.
Actually there is no connection between obesity and mortality because the other side of the U, with rates of mortality just as high as the obese are the underweight population. You know the opposite of obesity.
Let me post that quote for you again one more time.
Katherine Flegal, an epidemiologist at the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, set out to map the relationship between BMI categories and mortality. They expected to find a linear relationship: The higher a person’s BMI, the greater his or her risk of dying prematurely.
But that’s not what they found. Instead, Flegal and her colleagues discovered what statisticians call a U-shaped curve, with the bottom of the curve — the lowest risk of death — falling around 25 to 26 on the BMI chart, making the risk of early death lowest for those now labeled overweight.
People considered “mildly obese” had roughly the same risk of dying as those in the “normal” category. Death rates went up for those on either end of the scale — underweight and severely obese — but not by much.
“The differences we’re talking about overall are pretty tiny,” explains Flegal.
They are all postulations, but none are actually testing on the data of if Obesity is linked to an increase in mortality, like the studies I have posted, two scientific peer reviewed studies.
The only scientific paper you presented, the last one is simply guessing that via their projections life expectancy should drop due to obesity, again it doesn't actually investigate if it does.
Who said any of your sources had to claim Obamacare was the source of the decline? Not me, our conversation with regard to obesity was about obesity and nutrition itself being dangerous, not its link to Obamacare. That sir is goal post moving at its finest. Another notch in your patern of continued and willful intellectual dishonesty.
On top of that again, none of the links you posted were scientific, except the one regarding smoking and obesity, and like the other one you posted, merely was talking about its projection of obesity on life expectancy forecasting models, not actual investigation into if obesity itself caused an increase in mortality, like the studies I posted.
I show all that. You have....one misinterpreted claim by one scientist where you prove that you don't know what a "U-shaped curve" is.
You haven't really shown me anything.
How have I misinterpreted what the scientist said when I literally just repeated what she said her work found?
I think this would classify again as your out right lying.
You haven't pointed out ONE lie I've made. Not one.
I've already pointed out myriad lies by you, at least three of which you've finally apologized for on this page alone.
I've posted lies you've said in this thread, and I posted your lies in this post itself, along with your continued intellectual dishonesty. Pretty easy.
Keep bragging about posting huge walls of text that no one will read. The only "editing" I've done is to quote the specific parts of the post that you got wrong instead of putting up a whole page of text and expecting everyone to wade through it.
Not braggin about posting, stating fact, if you don't want to read that is on you.
I don't mind editing posts for clarity, you've literally claimed I've said something, when I didn't by snipping the title of a article. That is lying in its most blatant.
Okay, I'm done, because there's too much perfect destruction of you for me to keep burying it with more and more.
Claim one more time on any thread, ever, that I run away and don't respond to your bullshyt
Pat yourself on the back, knowing that I stayed with you this whole thread, exposed how you lied outright, manipulated quotes, and run away for the 4th time.
Its like a pattern with you, you try to get on and debate me, lose with facts, then start fishing for daps.
I hope the future you don't continue to run away for a few months and then come back to try me after you licked your wounds to repeat the same disproven arguments, get smacked down and leave again.
