rose vs westbrook (revisited)

[MarloStanfield]

didnt you just bring up chris webber who plays the same position


what about willis magahee who just came off of a 1,000 yard rushing season at 30 years old?

what about ed reed who is still the best safety in the nfl and had one of the best seasons of his career last year coming off of major knee surgery?


lets not forget about this man right here constantly shytting on the jets defense after his knee surgery:

Brady game isn't based around speed Dude gets scared now when he has to run, Lol.

I'm not even gonna negate any of rest of your opinions, especially after they closed the thread on not doing good.

 

[SubLyminalz]

Brady game isn't based around speed Dude gets scared now when he has to run, Lol.

I'm not even gonna negate any of rest of your opinions, especially after they closed the thread on not doing good.

yet he constantly takes hits from 300+ pound men on a regular basis which is much worse then running on it, just take your L dog your burying yourself a bigger hole.


i see your ducking my other questions about ed reed and willis.

 

[MarloStanfield]

yet he constantly takes hits from 300+ pound men on a regular basis which is much worse then running on it, just take your L dog your burying yourself a bigger hole.


i see your ducking my other questions about ed reed and willis.

What the hell does taking a hit have to do with his knee unless he's players are hitting his kneww? All Tom Brady does is stand in the pocket and throw ball, unlike Derrick Rose who's running all over the court.

I haven't watched many Broncos games but I remember Mcgahee looking slow in Baltimore. Ed Reed old ass is just lucky Ravens has a pass rush.

Y'all really expect some one who uses his speed and explosiveness, quick lateral moves to still be the same after a knee injury ? And I don't wanna hear it depends on rehabilitation. State some other players like Rose who uses his speed and ball handling skills to get separation that gone through that.

 

[SubLyminalz]

What the hell does taking a hit have to do with his knee unless he's players are hitting his kneww? All Tom Brady does is stand in the pocket and throw ball, unlike Derrick Rose who's running all over the court.

I haven't watched many Broncos games but I remember Mcgahee looking slow in Baltimore. Ed Reed old ass is just lucky Ravens has a pass rush.

Y'all really expect some one who uses his speed and explosiveness, quick lateral moves to still be the same after a knee injury ? And I don't wanna hear it depends on rehabilitation. State some other players like Rose who uses his speed and ball handling skills to get separation that gone through that.

your still copping pleas

just let it go man

 

[red222]

yeah robert griffin the III is really struggling stfu stanley

 

[Loose]

Rose (Defense '10/11 - best of the last two seasons/due to this season being a sample size e.g. Off-screen - 0.36 PPP):

Overall - 0.77 PPP allowed
Isolation - 0.61 PPP allowed
P&R Ball Handler - 0.73 PPP allowed
Off-screen - 0.80 PPP allowed
Spot up - 0.92 PPP allowed

Westbrook (Defense '11/12 - best of the last two seasons):

Overall - 0.88 PPP allowed
Isolation - 0.83 PPP allowed
P&R Ball Handler - 0.85 PPP allowed
Off-screen - 0.98 PPP allowed
Spot up - 0.99 PPP allowed

"Rose has allowed just 0.77 points per possession overall on defense this season, an elite mark for any defender, regardless of position. Chris Paul (0.86 points per possession allowed), Rajon Rondo (0.83 PPP allowed), and Russell Westbrook (0.92 PPP allowed) –- all excellent defenders -– have been trumped statistically this year, and by no slim margin. Rose has each of those players handily beat, and boasts a shockingly comprehensive defensive profile. Rose is particularly effective in defending isolation sequences, where he allows just 0.61 points per possession."

Rose had more blocks than Lebron last season + 1st overall blocks for a PG (21 more than 2nd place) + 2nd overall perimeter blocks for a guard (3rd overall blocks).

Said statistics are certainly not the be-all and end-all to thee argument, as it doesn't weigh in eye-tests; team-defense/help-defense influence; opponent-matchups; weight of offensive-load; defensive-intangibles - but it gives you a general perspective of where they both sit, in terms of defensive ability/efficiency.

Bottom line - Westbrook isn't a much better defender and it's certainly not crazy to think Rose is the better defender in any way, shape or form.

you do understand team defense plays a huge part of all the stats you brought up right? going by stats KD is a better defender than lebron.

 

[Dirty_Jerz]

With all that being said Rondo>>>Westbrook/Rose

 

[MarloStanfield]

your still copping pleas

just let it go man

Shonn Greene averaged 1,000 yards season too and he's definition of average, stats don't tell everything

But watch y'all will see, don't say I ain't tell you so. You Derrick Rose stans ain't trying see the truth.

 

[YBE]

at nikkas who tried to dead this thread.....only for it to go 13 pgs

 

[Houston911]

Rose (Defense '10/11 - best of the last two seasons/due to this season being a sample size e.g. Off-screen - 0.36 PPP):

Overall - 0.77 PPP allowed
Isolation - 0.61 PPP allowed
P&R Ball Handler - 0.73 PPP allowed
Off-screen - 0.80 PPP allowed
Spot up - 0.92 PPP allowed

Westbrook (Defense '11/12 - best of the last two seasons):

Overall - 0.88 PPP allowed
Isolation - 0.83 PPP allowed
P&R Ball Handler - 0.85 PPP allowed
Off-screen - 0.98 PPP allowed
Spot up - 0.99 PPP allowed

"Rose has allowed just 0.77 points per possession overall on defense this season, an elite mark for any defender, regardless of position. Chris Paul (0.86 points per possession allowed), Rajon Rondo (0.83 PPP allowed), and Russell Westbrook (0.92 PPP allowed) –- all excellent defenders -– have been trumped statistically this year, and by no slim margin. Rose has each of those players handily beat, and boasts a shockingly comprehensive defensive profile. Rose is particularly effective in defending isolation sequences, where he allows just 0.61 points per possession."

Rose had more blocks than Lebron last season + 1st overall blocks for a PG (21 more than 2nd place) + 2nd overall perimeter blocks for a guard (3rd overall blocks).

Said statistics are certainly not the be-all and end-all to thee argument, as it doesn't weigh in eye-tests; team-defense/help-defense influence; opponent-matchups; weight of offensive-load; defensive-intangibles - but it gives you a general perspective of where they both sit, in terms of defensive ability/efficiency.

Bottom line - Westbrook isn't a much better defender and it's certainly not crazy to think Rose is the better defender in any way, shape or form.

where are you getting these stats from?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

stop nikka. just stop.

you the MVP. best league record that year. you suppose to will yourself past 35%.

Kobe faced one of the best NBA defenses in history with no Bynum & Pau acting bytchmade & still put up more than 35% shooting. I dont want to hear that shyt nikka.

you do understand team defense plays a huge part of all the stats you brought up right? going by stats KD is a better defender than lebron.

Why ain't I surprised that both of yall didn't understand nor completely read what I posted

 

[EducatedBrothaFromTheBank]

you nikkas watch the game or just read the stat line?

Put Westbrook on the Bulls, and let him drive on Miami, and the entire Defense would collapse on him in the lane just like they do Rose.

Dude has an open invitation to the lane because of Durant, Harden and the shooters around him.

 

[krazykid18]

you nikkas watch the game or just read the stat line?

Put Westbrook on the Bulls, and let him drive on Miami, and the entire Defense would collapse on him in the lane just like they do Rose.

Dude has an open invitation to the lane because of Durant, Harden and the shooters around him.

westbrook is a way better shooter than Derrick Rose

 

[red222]

westbrook is a way better shooter than Derrick Rose

 

[NSSVO]

westbrook is a way better shooter than Derrick Rose