russian ambassador assassination was a hoax

[Professor Emeritus]

make up your mind breh

and i asked for thoughts, stated multiple times that i'm not 100% behind this theory

Then you should have picked a more believable theory.

There are three main reasons you run a false flag. Because you need to push public opinion, because you need an excuse in international circles, or because you just want someone/something dead.

Russia already controls public opinion on their own just fine, there's nothing to push international circles on here (because he was a lone actor so they have no one to blame), and if they wanted the Russian ambassador dead, they have a hundred ways to do that without creating such a high-profile scenario and burning an asset.

If you want a believable theory, then you should have said the assassination was real but the Turkish government was behind it. Then at least you could find believable motive and an excuse for why they would have done it this way.



And that's all assuming they actually killed him, which would be far more likely. To fake the killing of a high-profile figure (meaning that guy has to disappear for the rest of his life) takes it to a whole different level of ridiculousness. For most prideful semi-public figures like this, forcing them to be removed from all their friends, family, and everyone who treats them like they're important is as bad as death. Where is the ambassador hiding now? Why did he agree to it? Are his friends and family in on it? Why go to all that effort to fake it (making it ten times more difficult to pull off) and keep the ambassador alive - because Russia just cares that much for human life? And for what benefit?

when i see a picture perfect assassination

He shot the guy. That's not particularly hard for any competent actor. And an ambassador isn't the world's most highly-protected target.

in an isolated area with very few people, by a shooter who just happened to finagle his way into that exclusive position,

He's a cop in a country with plenty of corruption. To assume that a cop (especially well-dressed to look the part of personal security) wouldn't be able to get himself into a medium-level event in a country where bribes go a long way is ridiculous. Even if his police ID alone didn't get him into event, then he just would have needed to pay off a few of the right security figures and make some excuse for why you need to be there., especially if they know him already, and they assume it won't come back to haunt them because he's a cop and not some random low-life.

The reports say that the museum didn't even increase security more than usual beyond the metal detectors - which the cop bypassed with his police ID.

a cameraman who supposedly decided to stay right in front of the shooter cause he's a dedicated journalist ,

Because he wanted to be famous. Not every cameraman would have done it, but this is a dream opportunity - of course some cameramen have the balls to pull through. And what was his option? It was a freaking art gallery - was he going to curl up in a fetal position or hide behind a painting?

a victim who died later in the hospital despite having 9 shots unloaded into his back

You don't die from the combined weight of the lead in your back. People survive worse shootings all the time. Hell, Abe Lincoln was shot in the fukking head in an era with bootleg medical technology and didn't die until the next morning. Bullet wounds only mean instant death if they get you in very specific places - without a direct heart or brain shot, or nailing just the right artery, you've got a better shot of lasting a few minutes while the bleeding/lung work takes it's toll than of dying right there on the spot.

(not saying anything about no blood although collar popped as if an air powered device was triggered

These are honestly the best parts of conspiracy theories. What do you mean "as if an air powered device was triggered"? You're acting like you have experience of watching air powered devices being triggered and then seeing collars pop in response. This is just a completely made-up part of the conspiracy - there's no connection to anything in reality.

no visible hole or blood from "exit wound" on white shirt)

A bit confused here - they were both wearing dark suits. And you could see blood on both of them. I already explained in the other post why blood/exit wounds aren't always going to be visible at the exact moment of shooting in these circumstances. What's the exact point that you're complaining about the lack of blodd/exit wound visible?

Which one of these photos do you have issue with?

and then they cart out an empty casket

Empty casket? It was an open casket.

TV footage showed Karlov's body lying in an open casket in the building's marble-clad lobby flanked by a uniformed honour guard as mourners, including Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, approached to lay flowers.

Vladimir Putin pays his respects as Russia lays to rest murdered Turkey envoy Andrei Karlov with full honours


To have supposedly "faked" an open casket funeral, and then you're going to claim to have exposed the fake because they used an empty casket at some other time...that's just going beyond ridiculous. It's taking the flimsiest evidence to claim that they pulled off a perfect, extremely difficult operation

but it's too crazy to even talk about alright

Nah, you just need to think it through better

 

[Professor Emeritus]

My trump card at the end is what I usually say in such situations.


Watch what happens over the next few months. Nothing is going to go down as a result of this death.

Why run a giant false flag operation for not benefit?


It's like that journalist shooting, or that Malaysian plane going down. The ridiculous conspiracy theories required the governments involved pulling off massive, major operations for....what benefit again? The conspiracy theorists made up random reasons at the time, and none of them came to pass. I haven't even heard the plausible reasons yet here. As far as international politics those, this isn't even a pebble.

 

[Adidacs]

You never heard of tripods bruh...theres this three legged invention that holds up heavy expensive news cameras..some are even motorized so the editor can turn the camera



meet the assassins bullet

These are designed to do maximum damage to internal organs..no exit wound usually and bleeding is confined to the abdominal cavity because theres plenty of empty space for blood to pool once these things shred your heart and lungs,..sometimes the pros will dip them in poison as well to make doubly sure you aint ever checking out of the ER

You forget people bleed out because their heart is still pumping...if this round hits your heart it stops immediately...so where will the pressure come from?

AP photographer Burhan Ozbilici is a photojournalist incredibly dedicated to his job; so dedicated, in fact, that he kept on taking pictures when a gunman shot and killed Russian ambassador Andrei Karlov at a photo gallery in Ankara, Turkey. The photos he captured have instantly risen to iconic status.

heart stopped immediately but he died later in the hospital, ok

i'm playing devil's advocate here, still sus

edit: if there was an open casket then i dead this

and close up of his collar popping up

 

[Professor Emeritus]

heart stopped immediately but he died later in the hospital, ok

i'm playing devil's advocate here, still sus

Yes, often people's hearts stop on scene, and they are later revived only to die anyway. That's not even uncommon in today's age of medical technology. (If that's even true - I haven't read it myself.)

More importantly, there is literally no conspiracy theory that would be helped by that. Nothing.

You're just throwing random shyt against the wall.

Another classic problem of conspiracy theories is that they treat the "official version" as something completely different from the conspiracy versions. Any random fact, if it sounds unlikely, is enough to cast doubt on the official version...even if the exact same fact would be just as unlikely in the conspiracy version.

 

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heart stopped immediately but he died later in the hospital, ok

i'm playing devil's advocate here, still sus

AHA Releases 2015 Heart and Stroke Statistics | Sudden Cardiac Arrest Foundation

Not sure how far you got with your med school but the heart being damaged or stopping doesnt mean immediate death...quite a few people survive that

unless you have a fragmenting bullet in it...then you probably WILL die in the ER

 

[Adidacs]

AHA Releases 2015 Heart and Stroke Statistics | Sudden Cardiac Arrest Foundation

Not sure how far you got with your med school but the heart being damaged or stopping doesnt mean immediate death...quite a few people survive that

unless you have a fragmenting bullet in it...then you probably WILL die in the ER

lol i'm done considering this theory

but you're saying an "assassin's bullet" hit his heart, that's why he wasn't bleeding

so you're saying you can survive that

 

[ⒶⓁⒾⒶⓈ]

lol i'm done considering this theory

but you're saying an "assassin's bullet" hit his heart, that's why he wasn't bleeding

so you're saying you can survive that

Watch this so you see how fragmenting ammo works...then youll understand why theres no exit wound and why his whole chest moved foward and popped his collar like that




See if he used a regular copperjacket 9 milli round from that range the bullets would have gone straight through leaving small holes...dude probably would have survived unless he got a head-shot

but fragmenting ammo ..one is more than enough..it can irreversibly damage the heart ,lungs and liver in one shot.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

lol i'm done considering this theory

but you're saying an "assassin's bullet" hit his heart, that's why he wasn't bleeding

so you're saying you can survive that

I don't think you have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

Your heart can stop for a hundred reasons other than a bullet hitting it. And quite often you can be revived after your heart stops, though usually (as in this case) too much damage will have been done in the meantime and thus you end up dying anyway despite being temporarily revived. This happens literally all the time.

Again, I'm just going off of what you're saying, I'm not even fact-checking it (except the obviously false empty casket claim), but just from basic logic and common sense you're already off. I don't know where you got the "heart stopped" or "revived and then died at the hospital" claims.

 

[Adidacs]

I don't think you have the slightest idea what you're talking about.

Your heart can stop for a hundred reasons other than a bullet hitting it. And quite often you can be revived after your heart stops, though usually (as in this case) too much damage will have been done in the meantime and thus you end up dying anyway despite being temporarily revived. This happens literally all the time.

Again, I'm just going off of what you're saying, I'm not even fact-checking it (except the obviously false empty casket claim), but just from basic logic and common sense you're already off. I don't know where you got the "heart stopped" or "revived and then died at the hospital" claims.

read the series of posts i'm responding to before being condescending

this wasn't even a point of mine

 

[Won Won]

Noone Ever Really Dies


If they go down too easy, it was fake. If they take the bullets too well, it was fake.

Not enough blood, fake. Too much blood, fake.

Shooting looks professional, fake. Shooting looks amateur, fake.

In front of big crowd, a setup. In front of a small crowd, not enough witnesses.

Like you see in the movies, too movie-like. Not like you see in the movies, that doesn't look real to me.

On video, obviously a setup. Not on video, where's the proof?

Bystanders underreact, they knew it wasn't real. Bystanders overreact, they were over-acting.

Witnesses speak up afterwards, they're crisis actors. Witnesses don't speak up afterwards, why aren't the witnesses speaking up?

And on and on and on and on.



It's all a conspiracy. There are no dead people. They're doing slave labor in the hidden city of Atlantis right now.

This post just gave Critical Thinkers heartburn

 

[thekingsmen]

This post just gave Critical Thinkers heartburn

Does it?

You believe everything but only respond when we show up.

 

[Max B]

They just wanna claim to know what no one else does

You just perfectly explained yourself haha

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You just perfectly explained yourself haha

except I come with receipts...

 

[keepemup]

Andrei Karlov funeral ceremony

 

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Andrei Karlov funeral ceremony

open casket..Putin must have read this thread

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