You would never make this same charitable argument for Israel and Palestine. In fact you would rightfully think I was a piece of shyt if I suggested that Palestinians should just give up their land.
Thereās an extremely false equivalency and itās absurd to bring that atrocity of one nation with advanced military weaponry slaughtering civiliansānot a nation and because of that they do not have a militaryāto a war between two nations.
1) Russia's economy is really shyt right now and they're facing hyper inflation, 20% interest rates on loans, they're having trouble paying soldiers and federal workers (often times not paying them at all), and their fed chair (Elvira nebullina) went on record last month saying the war isn't sustainable (how she didn't get thrown out of a window is beyond me)
I didnāt say a word about Russiaās economy. I specifically said Putin because that is ultimately what matters in this scenario. As long as India and China are buying Russian oil, he doesnāt care.
2) Russia is not progressing in gaining land. In fact they control half as much territory as they did 2 years ago (down from 36% to 18%). And yes, this war is killing people. 250,000 russian soldiers killed in action to be exact with over a million casualties in total. To put things in perspective 50,000 u.s. soldiers died in Vietnam over a 20 year period and we view that as a slaughter. Russia is over here closing in on world war 2 numbers for u.s. soldiers killed in action. Why do you think Putin is begging for an allie oop from North Korea of all places?
Let me ask you a question, do you think Ukraine will gain that land back through fighting? In what world does a nation that occupies lands it won through conflict over another, willingly gives it back?
Also, how many Ukrainian people have died fighting? You bringing up that Russia lost 250,000, Ukrainians have lost 400,000 people. That would not be so bad if Ukraine wasn't a nation of around 40 million people. That means they've lost almost 1% of their population over the last three years, or about 2% of their male population. That is an insane figure that's almost generational. Ukraine's had to conscript old men to fight.
And unlike the US/Vietnam war, the US a) soldiers are not dying in Ukraine b) the US ain't propping up the Ukrainian government like it happened with South Vietnam and their sham government c) Russian soldiers dying in Ukraine have done so and have occupied territories in the process d) the US weren't occupying North Vietnam like Russia occupies a decent chunk of Eastern Ukraine.
Lastly, I don't know how interested Russia is in gaining more lands. I say that because it seems they've been sitting on this 20% of Ukraine for over 18 months or so. I could be wrong, but that feels strategic.
3) you ask what the Ukrainian people want and 76% are against accepting putins terms for peace which should be of no surprise to anyone.
Last month there was a mass protest in Ukraine because zelensky signed an unpopular law. After about 2 days of protesting the ukranian government reversed the law. You and I both know a mass protest like that ain't happening under Putin. When territory gets annexed, it's not just land that gets lost, it's people too and a good portion of them remember what it was like to live under Russian rule.
So let's be 100% on what that "unpopular law" was. Zelensky signed into law a bill that ended the independence of their anti-corruption agency. Why in the fukk would anyone sign a law like that? I guess I commend him for reversing course, but you shouldnāt have to have reverse course there because it should have never happened. Let's also be clear that Zelensky's administration and military leaders have been accused of a lot of corruption before the war and during the war. His popularity within Ukraine has dropped a lot the last couple of years too. He is still popular, but largely because of this war and Trump treatment of him at the White House. He also suspended elections, so saying he ain't like Putin is odd considering that's what we think Putin does. (I am not saying Zelensky is Putin, I am saying your comparison ain't as strong as you think)
At the end of the day, Putin was wrong for invading Ukraine, but thinking he is going to give back lands he now occupies is not serious. Zelensky has to think about if he wants more men to die because of this because Ukraine is not going to militarily win this war. We have to be honest and serious about this and I feel a lot of people aren't. We gotta stop this stupid neocon reasoning and try and save lives and first get a ceasefire done before we get to peace talks.
Saying all of that, Trump would probably offer Putin more lands just because he is a clown. That I don't agree with and people should push back against that.
