Salary Caps Should Be Illegal

[Double Burger With Cheese]

AND ITS ALREADY BEEN
EXPLAINED TO YOU
NO CAP = NO FLOOR

THE OWNERS OUTSIDE A HANDFUL
WOULD BE CHEAP AS HELL
AND THEYLL BE NOTHING
NO ONE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

THEN nikkaS WOULD BE
CRYING FOR A FLOOR.


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I never needed anything explained, I’m not confused, I don’t agree. I support players getting paid their true worth over everything. No salary cap is not some unheard of thing that will kill a league like yall are insisting. The MLB has no salary cap. They have other things in place to help with balance and parity.

 

[CHICAGO]

I never needed anything explained, I’m not confused, I don’t agree. I support players getting paid their true worth over everything. No salary cap is not some unheard of thing that will kill a league like yall are insisting. The MLB has no salary cap. They have other things in place to help with balance and parity.

AVERAGE MLB SALARY
WITH NO SALARY CAP IS 5MS....

AVERAGE NBA SALARY
WITH SALARY CAP IS 12MS...

OWNERS CAN BE CHEAPER
WITH NO SALARY CAP/FLOOR


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[Double Burger With Cheese]

AVERAGE MLB SALARY
WITH NO SALARY CAP IS 5MS....

AVERAGE NBA SALARY
WITH SALARY CAP IS 12MS...

OWNERS CAN BE CHEAPER
WITH NO SALARY CAP/FLOOR


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Also, Shohei Ohtani getting 700 million for 10 years

 

[CHICAGO]

Also, Shohei Ohtani getting 700 million for 10 years

ONE GUY...

TATUM IS MAKING 63MS PER
FOR 5 SEASONS
AND WHEN THAT ONE IS UP
HE'LL GET AN EVEN BIGGER DEAL
WHICH WILL EQUAL MORE
THAN 700 FOR 10 YEARS
AS MAX CONTRACTS CONTINUE
TO INCREASE DUE TO THE SALARY CAP
AND TV MONEY.

MLB DUDES BE SIGNING
10-15 YEAR DEALS TO GET
THEIR MONEY.

BETTS MAKING 365MS
FOR 12 YEARS...
5TH HIGHEST CONTRACT
IN THE MLB.
BEAL MAKING 251MS FOR 5 YEARS
6TH HIGHEST IN NBA

PG IS THE 20TH HIGHEST
PAID PLAYER IN THE NBA
MAKING 211MS FOR 4 YEARS

WHILE THE 20TH HIGHEST
PAID PLAYER IN MLB IS MAKING
245MS FOR 7 YEARS

NBA PLAYERS EATING MORE
WITH A SALARY CAP


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[No1]

No that isn't what I'm saying at all

It literally is. You just don’t realize they it’s what you’re saying. That’s why you @Copy Ninja and @cyndaquil are loling @ unsophisticated talking points. It’s a backwards way of thinking. You’re siding with billionaires over millionaires disproportionately but not realizing that I have that same view for the poorest workers too. This is just a good example of showing how capital maintains power lol.

Back to the sports point - you think that without a cap you would have a league dominated by those willing to spend whatever to win and I’m saying that Real Madrid is rich regardless and either they spend that money to win, which their supporters expect or they say “we couldn’t spend more than this” and pocket the money. Moreover, your analogy further fails because Madrid and the team you’re comparing it to aren’t actually competitors. The Real competitors for Madrid are the teams it competes with in the champions league, which is dominated by bigger and more cash rich clubs. Domestic leagues are literally about allowing regional clubs to compete against the very best and it’s not necessarily about having a chance to win every year. Rooting for your team and dodging relegation is excitement in and of itself. There are realistically only 6 clubs or so that have any expectation of competing for a title every year. It would be like the Knicks competing in a league where the Connecticut Coli Bros get to field a team by putting our 6 carts together.

 

[Barney Rubble]

I don't think you realize how rich Steve Ballmer is Dude is worth around 140 billion, and all the other owners COMBINED are worth about 170. His 10th man would be an All Star

 

[No1]

ONE GUY...

TATUM IS MAKING 63MS PER
FOR 5 SEASONS
AND WHEN THAT ONE IS UP
HE'LL GET AN EVEN BIGGER DEAL
WHICH WILL EQUAL MORE
THAN 700 FOR 10 YEARS
AS MAX CONTRACTS CONTINUE
TO INCREASE DUE TO THE SALARY CAP
AND TV MONEY.

MLB DUDES BE SIGNING
10-15 YEAR DEALS TO GET
THEIR MONEY.

BETTS MAKING 365MS
FOR 12 YEARS...
5TH HIGHEST CONTRACT
IN THE MLB.
BEAL MAKING 251MS FOR 5 YEARS
6TH HIGHEST IN NBA

PG IS THE 20TH HIGHEST
PAID PLAYER IN THE NBA
MAKING 211MS FOR 4 YEARS

WHILE THE 20TH HIGHEST
PAID PLAYER IN MLB IS MAKING
245MS FOR 7 YEARS

NBA PLAYERS EATING MORE
WITH A SALARY CAP


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There are less NBA players than baseball. There are 450 NBA players and a max of 540 including reserves (i.e. two way players). There are 780 MLB players and up to 1200 if you include reserves. Non-veteran players don’t yet qualify for guaranteed contracts and many are on the league minimum 740K. On top of that - the NBA has 400 million dollars more per year in revenue the last I checked. Also, the MLB has a luxury tax that becomes more punitive the more you spend while not having a hard cap - this is designed to stop excess spenders. (The Steven Cohen tax. @Barney Rubble to address the point you just made about Ballmer). In other words, you can penalize excess spenders without limiting any individual player’s salary. All of those things the Dodgers are doing with contracts is to avoid paying the luxury tax for being a repeat offender and for being consistently in excess of the threshold - I.e. smart GMing.

The point isn’t that NBA players are struggling - there’s more money than ever - it’s about the very concept of capping someone’s salary. The average MLB player salary is lower also because the top tier players can get paid what they’re worth so teams evaluate that as opposed to being forced to give 125 million to Jabari Smith. I believe in salary floors - everyone should be fairly compensated and not exploited - but caps are something else.

 

[CHICAGO]

There are less NBA players than baseball. There are 450 NBA players and a max of 540 including reserves (i.e. two way players). There are 780 MLB players and up to 1200 if you include reserves. Non-veteran players don’t yet qualify for guaranteed contracts and many are on the league minimum 740K. On top of that - the NBA has 400 million dollars more per year in revenue the last I checked. Also, the MLB has a luxury tax that becomes more punitive the more you spend while not having a hard cap - this is designed to stop excess spenders. (The Steven Cohen tax. @Barney Rubble to address the point you just made about Ballmer). In other words, you can penalize excess spenders without limiting any individual player’s salary. All of those things the Dodgers are doing with contracts is to avoid paying the luxury tax for being a repeat offender and for being consistently in excess of the threshold - I.e. smart GMing.

The point isn’t that NBA players are struggling - there’s more money than ever - it’s about the very concept of capping someone’s salary. The average MLB player salary is lower also because the top tier players can get paid what they’re worth so teams evaluate that as opposed to being forced to give 125 million to Jabari Smith. I believe in salary floors - everyone should be fairly compensated and not exploited - but caps are something else.

NOPE

NO SALARY CAP
NO SALARY FLOOR



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[Red Money]

I don't think you realize how rich Steve Ballmer is Dude is worth around 140 billion, and all the other owners COMBINED are worth about 170. His 10th man would be an All Star

I wonder if these no cap guys support monopolies...hmmm?


Imagine Apple buying a team as a loss leader and maybe breaking even at best. They be Dropping ticket prices lower than smaller markets, showing every game on Apple tv for cheap, Apple logos on Jersey's to sell more products. etc.


With No cap, It be a few real teams and a few staged/controlled competition teams. It's like Google propping up Firefox so Google don't get caught up in antitrust.

 

[CHICAGO]

SHAI MAKING 71.25MS A YEAR....

BU BU BUT OTHANI...

THAT DREADED SALARY CAP.


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[Copy Ninja]

It literally is. You just don’t realize they it’s what you’re saying. That’s why you @Copy Ninja and @cyndaquil are loling @ unsophisticated talking points. It’s a backwards way of thinking. You’re siding with billionaires over millionaires disproportionately but not realizing that I have that same view for the poorest workers too. This is just a good example of showing how capital maintains power lol.

Back to the sports point - you think that without a cap you would have a league dominated by those willing to spend whatever to win and I’m saying that Real Madrid is rich regardless and either they spend that money to win, which their supporters expect or they say “we couldn’t spend more than this” and pocket the money. Moreover, your analogy further fails because Madrid and the team you’re comparing it to aren’t actually competitors. The Real competitors for Madrid are the teams it competes with in the champions league, which is dominated by bigger and more cash rich clubs. Domestic leagues are literally about allowing regional clubs to compete against the very best and it’s not necessarily about having a chance to win every year. Rooting for your team and dodging relegation is excitement in and of itself. There are realistically only 6 clubs or so that have any expectation of competing for a title every year. It would be like the Knicks competing in a league where the Connecticut Coli Bros get to field a team by putting our 6 carts together.

Who wants 4-5 teams stacked with the best players and all the other teams treated as farm systems for the richest teams? If you conclude because I don't think that's a great idea is 'siding with the owners' you're brain is cooked
Did you see the RM/Villareal salary gap? You want that shyt for the NBA?

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

SHAI MAKING 71.25MS A YEAR....

BU BU BUT OTHANI...

THAT DREADED SALARY CAP.


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Would like for your salary to be capped regardless of how much money you can generate? No you would not. Also, NBA players themselves don’t support caps on their salaries. A max contract should be illegal. It’s not way you nikkas can explain it away, the shyt is owners getting over

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

Who wants 4-5 teams stacked with the best players and all the other teams treated as farm systems for the richest teams? If you conclude because I don't think that's a great idea is 'siding with the owners' you're brain is cooked
Did you see the RM/Villareal salary gap? You want that shyt for the NBA?

Yall keep forcing this scenario to where the league is ruined to justify yall agreeing with salaries getting capped. NBA players themselves do not agree with yall

 

[charknicks]

I still cant believe people are arguing no cap, and using MLB as a reference.

MLB, where stadiums are empty all over except for pretty much the Dodgers. Also, MLB, where teams arent just paying for the 25 players on main roster, but also 4 levels of minor league teams as well.

The Miami Marlins total team salary is $67 million. You have no cap, and you have no floor. So who cares about this team. Or The A's, or Pittsburgh, or Tampa. You hamstring the league with no cap/floor. SGA will now get $71 million alone.

Brad Beal and Devin Booker combined make more then SEVEN MLB rosters. Beal, Booker and Durant would have made more then FIFTEEN MLB teams. Are they worth that money? They cant win shyt, so why are they worth that money?

Is Beal worth $55m/year? Was Fred VanVleet worth $45m/year? Yeah, the top guys (Steph, Bron, now SGA, etc) should get more, but you would be taking from the other players, cause the owners aint giving away all their money. These top guys can and do also make millions in endorsements/ merchandise. And if you think these teams arent sliding them some off the books money, you gotta wake up.

People complain about the cap. If that goes up, the cost for us to watch games or attend games would go up as well. Your MLB argument is exactly why stadiums are empty now. No cap, so ticket prices went past market value to try and compensate.

So are people in here capping for the Top 20 guys, at the expense of the rest of the league? Cause if the top get more, the rest will get less. Just like everyday life now.

The cap is about competitive balance for the league. MLB has 15-20 DOA teams every year. Smh, ol' trickle down economics ass nikkas.

 

[charknicks]

Would like for your salary to be capped regardless of how much money you can generate? No you would not. Also, NBA players themselves don’t support caps on their salaries. A max contract should be illegal. It’s not way you nikkas can explain it away, the shyt is owners getting over

The players literally signed a CBA for this, for the greater good of all 500 players in the league and not just for themselves.