Salary Caps Should Be Illegal

[Trojan 24]

At Real Madrid, here are the top 18 salaries/year -

David Alaba $26,358,800
Luka Modrić $25,503,920
Vinícius Júnior $24,364,080
Jude Bellingham $24,364,080
Kylian Mbappé $22,796,800
Thibaut Courtois $18,094,960
Antonio Rüdiger $16,955,120
Aurélien Tchouameni $14,675,440
Rodrygo $14,105,520
Federico Valverde $12,823,200
Dani Carvajal $12,182,040
Ferland Mendy $12,182,040
Dani Ceballos $12,182,040
Éder Militão $10,899,720
Lucas Vázquez $10,899,720
Eduardo Camavinga $9,688,640
Brahim Díaz $8,548,800

Villareal, who came in 5th in La Liga and their top 18 salaries/year

Juan Bernat $9,831,120
Gerard Moreno $3,205,800
Raúl Albiol $2,279,680
Juan Foyth $2,065,960
Dani Parejo $2,065,960
Alfonso Pedraza $1,994,720
Denis Suárez $1,923,480
Ayoze Pérez $1,923,480
Álex Baena $1,781,000
Yeremy Pino $1,424,800
Santi Comesaña $1,282,320
Kiko Femenía $1,282,320
Éric Bailly $1,282,320
Luiz Júnior $1,068,600
Ramón Terrats $997,360
Sergi Cardona $997,360
Ilias Akhomach $854,880
Nicolas Pépé $634,036

Villareal's highest paid player makes about the same as RM's 18th best player

The bottom half of the Liga pay their whole roster as much as Madrid pays their top player. Imagine the whole Jazz, Pelican, Pacers, Grizz... team getting paid as much as just Shai or Joker, that what's Coli Brehs want

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

The bottom half of the Liga pay their whole roster as much as Madrid pays their top player. Imagine the whole Jazz, Pelican, Pacers, Grizz... team getting paid as much as just Shai or Joker, that what's Coli Brehs want

I don’t think that’s even the point people are trying to make….Lebron, Curry, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, etc, are players that can change the not just the valuation of a team, but the economy of an entire city by a whole decimal place…. Those types of players shouldn’t be maxed out at 50 mil when they’re easily worth a quarter of a billion dollars annually….

 

[NotAHotep]

Agreed. nikkas want fake parity so bad.

 

[Starski]

Yall want no salary caps and then probably bytched when KD joined the warriors

Ight

 

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Y'all do not want to see rich teams play another team where not one of the other players would even make their roster. That shyt happens in college and you get 40/50 point blowouts regularly. March Madness one and done helps, but in 7 Game series good luck. There would be no point in watching until probably the Semi-Finals.

This isn't soccer where you can scheme and park the bus then take a couple chances on long balls to steal a goal

People don't realize how college football would drastically change if Stanford,MIT,Harvard,Yale,Northwestern,Princeton and Notre Dame decided that they were going to have their own football conference.

 

[Tasha And]

70 percent of NBA championships have been won by the same 5 teams basically, and I think only one of those teams is a small market team….

There was no salary cap in the NBA before 1984, which is where you got the C's winning 8 straight.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

There was no salary cap in the NBA before 1984, which is where you got the C's winning 8 straight.

And? Since 84, half of the NBA championships have been won between 3 teams…. Fans don’t give 2 shyts about small markets for real…

 

[No1]

Do you think salaries aren't capped in every industry in existence? Every company has a budget with a set percentage the company is willing to pay. Pretty much every job has a set limit they are willing to pay for each department and each position in the company. And before you counter with the NBA being a monopoly that is also a reality in a lot of the working world. There is always a top company in any industry that pays more than others, in this case it's the NBA.

My guy respectfully, you’re doing that internet thing where someone responds concisely to something and then instead of asking them to elaborate or clarify if you want to continue the conversation you end up arguing something that could’ve been resolved pretty simply. So first off - asking me that question is funny. I’m partially responsible for pay equity and salary bands in my practice. So I know better than anyone here how salary works in corporate America. What you’re talking about is entirely irrelevant to what I’m talking about. Your analogy doesn’t work.

So let’s walk through all of the problems with your statement. First and foremost, the NBA is not a Fortune 500 hundred company in a traditional sense. It is a group of 30 separate governors that determine the salaries and pay structures of their own employees. Noticeably, there is no limit on what any particular team decides to pay its non-basketball employees. In other words, NBA players are a specific class of employees carved out from other employees. Secondly, businesses set what they can pay specifically based on their own metrics and then companies conduct industry-wide surveys and look to be competitive while still meeting certain profits. But organizations with the means pay “top of the market.” In other words, industry standards are set or exceeded by top players in the market. Paying top of the market for a large full scale law firm is different than paying top of the market at a niche firm in a particular practice area. The NBA itself has a history of this with guys like Magic and MJ.

Moreover, you pay top dollar to attract top talent. So if you want to get someone to leave Google, you have to pay more than Google or offer other perks. All of this is to say that salary is determined by industry trends - not an official cap. There’s nothing stop a big law firm from paying 20 million dollars for a top partner that they want to bring on as has happened in recent months. That wasn’t the norm but they determined it was worth it.

The NBA literally locked out when Minnesota decided to pay Kevin Garnett what he wanted while on his rookie contract because then other owners would’ve had to compete with that and they didn’t want to. All of these restrictions are specifically designed to limit the ability of individuals owners to pay players whatever they want. For example, Jerry Buss never gets to decide to give young Magic a million dollars a year.

The better argument would be that unionized employees have specific salaries that they collectively bargain for in multiple industries. The flip side is baseball has a union and they don’t have a similar cap. An NBA player is closer to a baseball player than they are to a fireman. A fireman is being paid by the public just like teachers and there’s only so many funds the public will allot to that so there needs to be some sort of way of determining how we will spend public funds. That’s different from a private enterprise.

But the real problem here is that the CBA is designed to prevent the Dodgers from existing in the NBA - its specific goal is to create parity not based on ingenuity and smart team building but by necessarily spreading the assets around the league. It stops superior organizations from having a monopoly on superstar talent. The NFL does similar things with the franchise tag, etc.

Bottom line, you either think that private individuals should have their salary capped or not. And you either believe that it should be based on what specific employers say they’re worth or based on a control mechanism designed to guarantee competitiveness and profits for everything but players themselves. That comes down to your values. My values say it’s bullshyt.

 

[No1]

The bottom half of the Liga pay their whole roster as much as Madrid pays their top player. Imagine the whole Jazz, Pelican, Pacers, Grizz... team getting paid as much as just Shai or Joker, that what's Coli Brehs want

You’re basically saying your personal enjoyment of “parity” in sports should trump an individual’s ability to get paid the most they can based on their value. The reason you see that in Europe is because they have industry wide bargaining and minimum benefits everywhere. The idea of a salary cap would never fly. That’s why they have financial fair play rules - I.e. you can’t deficit spend essentially. Teams cheat around that but the premise is that you can pay that much because you’re generating that much profit. In your scenario, Real Madrid would just get to pocket the rest of that money instead of spending it on the players.

 

[Trojan 24]

I don’t think that’s even the point people are trying to make….Lebron, Curry, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, etc, are players that can change the not just the valuation of a team, but the economy of an entire city by a whole decimal place…. Those types of players shouldn’t be maxed out at 50 mil when they’re easily worth a quarter of a billion dollars annually….

But that's exactly what will happen if you remove the salary cap. 5 teams will spend 750 million, probably 10 of them will spend 75

 

[Trojan 24]

You’re basically saying your personal enjoyment of “parity” in sports should trump an individual’s ability to get paid the most they can based on their value. The reason you see that in Europe is because they have industry wide bargaining and minimum benefits everywhere. The idea of a salary cap would never fly. That’s why they have financial fair play rules - I.e. you can’t deficit spend essentially. Teams cheat around that but the premise is that you can pay that much because you’re generating that much profit. In your scenario, Real Madrid would just get to pocket the rest of that money instead of spending it on the players.

No that isn't what I'm saying at all

 

[ScoopNScore]

In this thread we have brehs worried about Lebron and Jordan not getting paid what they are worth...both are billionaires by the way. If you care about this because players aren't getting enough money I'd ask why? The NBA employs more people besides the players I'd say send that money into more of those people's pockets and the individual trams should be required to give more money to the communities they are based in

That's what these salary threads always break down to, grown folk bytching cuz their favorite player has to wait another year to pay off their mansion

 

[Double Burger With Cheese]

That's what these salary threads always break down to, grown folk bytching cuz their favorite player has to wait another year to pay off their mansion

Well I started this thread and it has nothing to do with any player or any hidden type of agenda. I simply believe that there should not be a situation where players are capped on what they can make because that creates situations where some players will be extremely underpaid. Especially in an industry that generates the amount of money major sports leagues do and where most owners are billionaires.

The irony of your statement is, most of you guys are the ones coming from the standpoint of a fan. I am looking at it from a fair value perspective, where people getting paid their true worth trumps everything. Yall are putting things like parity and how yall would feel as fans following the league before that.

 

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I don’t think that’s even the point people are trying to make….Lebron, Curry, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, etc, are players that can change the not just the valuation of a team, but the economy of an entire city by a whole decimal place…. Those types of players shouldn’t be maxed out at 50 mil when they’re easily worth a quarter of a billion dollars annually….

Those outliers also are able to offset their league salary with endorsements....and so few instances in league history that getting rid of the salary cap wouldn't benefit franchises or players.

an NBA with no salary floor, MLE, soft cap, bird rights, FA/RFA , max/super-max deals etc. you'd have a handful of NBA players who'd make top dollar....while roughly 20-25 other teams would be full of players who'd make next to nothing while hoping a spot opens up.

 

[CHICAGO]

Well I started this thread and it has nothing to do with any player or any hidden type of agenda. I simply believe that there should not be a situation where players are capped on what they can make because that creates situations where some players will be extremely underpaid. Especially in an industry that generates the amount of money major sports leagues do and where most owners are billionaires.

The irony of your statement is, most of you guys are the ones coming from the standpoint of a fan. I am looking at it from a fair value perspective, where people getting paid their true worth trumps everything. Yall are putting things like parity and how yall would feel as fans following the league before that.

AND ITS ALREADY BEEN
EXPLAINED TO YOU
NO CAP = NO FLOOR

THE OWNERS OUTSIDE A HANDFUL
WOULD BE CHEAP AS HELL
AND THEYLL BE NOTHING
NO ONE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

THEN nikkaS WOULD BE
CRYING FOR A FLOOR.


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