Sam hinkie appreciation thread

[tremonthustler1]

It is easy

You clear salary and acquire picks

The sh*t is literally that simple

It really isn't. If it was, you'd be doing it and everyone who is in that situation would fall into success even accidentally. You have to know what to do with picks and most importantly, player development. If it was that easy, this team isn't gonna be waiting so long between playoff appearances let alone title contention. They're still a ways away from that.

 

[Kliq_Souf]

We got the option to not tank either with that Kings pick swap
We could make a playoff push and still end up with 2 top 10 picks...

And maybe attract a big free agent

 

[Frump]

Tbf there aren't many owners who'd allow a gm to do what Hinkie did

He tanked on steroids in accumulating assets and draft picks and keeping the roster as young and unable to win as possible. Most owners aren't gonna sign off on giving up the season before it starts for a few years

And even the Sixers eventually showed their impatience

With that said I agree 100% with tanking and what he did.

All these teams chasing mediocrity with no shot to ever win a title are foolish

 

[CrimsonTider]

@houston911 was the only other poster who understood what Hinkie was doing, they forced a dude out of the GM spot that got the Kings to trade them Stauskas and two first round picks for some Euro prospects who will probably never come over.

The Sixers get the Kings unprotected 2019 draft pick, and they get the right to swap picks with them this year.

Its so easy to build a team in basketball

I know we strike out on our college projections at times...but we have full time jobs

If my sole job was to be a gm and scout players, theres no excuse to not be able to build a team than can contend for titles within 4-5 years

Literally no excuses

Sam hinkie got fired and he was one of ONLY 5 or 6 gms who actually knew what he was doing

His only real mistake was okafor over porzingis

Embiid and porzingis would have been the end of the nba as we know it

I think Hinkie gets too much credit tbh.

The logic of bottoming out until you get a superstar is a no brain strategy you just have to have the balls to do it cause tickets sells will be in the toilet. Drafting Okafor and Nerlins was flat out dumb.

If you are tanking until you get superstars then you HAVE to take the players with the most upside with your drafts picks.

 

[Houston911]

It really isn't. If it was, you'd be doing it and everyone who is in that situation would fall into success even accidentally. You have to know what to do with picks and most importantly, player development. If it was that easy, this team isn't gonna be waiting so long between playoff appearances let alone title contention. They're still a ways away from that.

Gm's are old swaggerless white guys with low testosterone, or theyre former nba players

I dont fit what theyre looking for

 

[Frump]

It really isn't. If it was, you'd be doing it and everyone who is in that situation would fall into success even accidentally. You have to know what to do with picks and most importantly, player development. If it was that easy, this team isn't gonna be waiting so long between playoff appearances let alone title contention. They're still a ways away from that.

It's been 4 going on 5 years they didn't make the playoffs that's not that long

 

[KOBE]

Hinkie was not a good GM. He was trash at drafting and flukes into Embiid because he got injured. If not for that stroke of luck, this would be a five win team right now.

What if he fluked into getting Wiggins/Towns instead, like the Timberwolves did, would he still be trash if his team got the first overall picks that they were going for?

Is he trash at drafting because he didn't get lucky with some 2nd round picks he had which he used as stash picks because they already had plenty of young talent on the team they didn't want to give up?

Is he trash for making MCW, a player that didn't develop the way he wanted, into a guaranteed lottery pick and one that could be a top 5 pick this year and give them a much better PG prospect instead?

I think Hinkie gets too much credit tbh.

The logic of bottoming out until you get a superstar is a no brain strategy you just have to have the balls to do it cause tickets sells will be in the toilet. Drafting Okafor and Nerlins was flat out dumb.

If you are tanking until you get superstars then you HAVE to take the players with the most upside with your drafts picks.

How was drafting Noel, literally considered the best prospect in that draft if not for his injury, at #6 dumb when he got that pick from trading oft-injured Jrue Holiday?

 

[tremonthustler1]

Is the Hinkie wanted Porzingis talk sourced around draft time that year or shortly thereafter? Sounds a bit like every former GM/coach now saying they wanted to take Kobe in '96 but didn't and blamed somebody else in the organization.

A couple of people did but that wasn't a thing. They wanted Russell. BAD. If Russell was there at 3, Kristaps who?

They wanted any of the 3 college guys, yeah Russell was probably highest on the board but Porzingis was someone Hinkie wanted and got shot down

Justifiably so. This is all hindsight speaking. The top three teams all kinda liked Porzingis, but remember, Jah was in the lead for a long time for #1 until the no-show workout. When everyone talked about the process, the prizes for Philly did NOT include Porzingis. The only team that was very confident about what they saw in KP was Orlando.

 

[tremonthustler1]

It's been 4 going on 5 years they didn't make the playoffs that's not that long

That's my point. People here think they have a window that can last until they get it right. Especially now, patience is at an all-time low. They're 4 going on 5, but to some, it can get to 8 and it still wouldn't be an issue. That line of thinking will get you the boot.

 

[Regular_P]

What if he fluked into getting Wiggins/Towns instead, like the Timberwolves did, would he still be trash if his team got the first overall picks that they were going for?

Is he trash at drafting because he didn't get lucky with some 2nd round picks he had which he used as stash picks because they already had plenty of young talent on the team they didn't want to give up?

Is he trash for making MCW, a player that didn't develop the way he wanted, into a guaranteed lottery pick and one that could be a top 5 pick this year and give them a much better PG prospect instead?





How was drafting Noel, literally considered the best prospect in that draft if not for his injury, at #6 dumb when he got that pick from trading oft-injured Jrue Holiday?

I'm saying Embiid was the only great pick he made. He didn't hit on any of his other picks. Good GMs find players later in the draft too and he didn't land one rotation player outside of the lottery. Even Mitch has found multiple contributors outside of the lottery.

 

[Frump]

That's my point. People here think they have a window that can last until they get it right. Especially now, patience is at an all-time low. They're 4 going on 5, but to some, it can get to 8 and it still wouldn't be an issue. That line of thinking will get you the boot.

As long as Embiids healthy it's not gonna get to 8 years

Hell they have a shot this year though they probably dug too big a hole

Plus I can finally see them start trading these picks for a veteran. I don't think Colangelo wants to stay extremely young

 

[tremonthustler1]

As long as Embiids healthy it's not gonna get to 8 years

Hell they have a shot this year though they probably dug too big a hole

Plus I can finally see them start trading these picks for a veteran. I don't think Colangelo wants to stay extremely young

A lot of teams, some in worse situations than them, wanna trade picks for vets. It's not like there's a big pool of vets willing to say "I'll wait as long as it takes for these kids to get it together"

 

[KOBE]

I'm saying Embiid was the only great pick he made. He didn't hit on any of his other picks. Good GMs find players later in the draft too and he didn't land one rotation player outside of the lottery. Even Mitch has found multiple contributors outside of the lottery.

Noel was a good pick, Saric was a good pick, landing Covington was a smart move, getting Nik for next to nothing was smart, and the majority of picks he got late in the draft haven't even gotten a chance to develop yet(as a lot of them are developing overseas).

Also although he's no longer on the team, Grant was a good 2nd round find and he's a solid player. Hinkie was also not the reason he's no longer on the team.

 

[Frump]

A lot of teams, some in worse situations than them, wanna trade picks for vets. It's not like there's a big pool of vets willing to say "I'll wait as long as it takes for these kids to get it together"

If they get traded their the vet has no choice. And if that vet gets to play with Embiid and see how good he is I think they'll be ok with the direction of the team

 

[Regular_P]

Noel was a good pick, Saric was a good pick, landing Covington was a smart move, getting Nik for next to nothing was smart, and the majority of picks he got late in the draft haven't even gotten a chance to develop yet(as a lot of them are developing overseas).

Also although he's no longer on the team, Grant was a good 2nd round find and he's a solid player. Hinkie was also not the reason he's no longer on the team.

Saric's 6'10" and shooting under 39% (also got picked one spot before Lavine); he drafted MCW five picks before Giannis; KJ and Grant looked decent and like you said, he immediately shipped them off. The Knicks took Willy Hernangomez with a second rounder Hinkie dealt to them and he's a good rotation player.

Hinkie is overrated as fukk and Embiid alone is saving his legacy.

Edit: We're not gonna act like Covington hasn't gotten booed at home multiple times this season because he's such an awful shooter either. He got hot tonight and hit the GW, but he's shooting under 37% on the season. His shooting has gone down each season.