School re-opening discussion

Should School re-open?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 4.0%
  • No

    Votes: 82 65.6%
  • Hybrid (alternating days in-person & distance learning)

    Votes: 38 30.4%

  • Total voters
    125

Shogun

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So, obviously, this has become the next debate that will be dumbed down to a simple left v right pissing match. But, leaving that aside (if possible), what are you thoughts?

There seems to be legitimate arguments on both sides here. Off the top of my head:

Pro-opening - Distance learning is largely ineffective, exacerbates economic inequalities, is not conducive to social and emotional services schools provide, and does not allow for the socialization aspect that, I would argue, is one of the most important things schools do. Child care is also a serious issue that many families simply will not be able to figure out if kids are home again in the fall.

Pro-closing - Coronavirus. Really, that's it. But, that's a big one. It's not looking like we're going to have this thing under control and, I can say with some certainty, that all of these social distancing and sanitation plans governors are putting out are going to be a shyt show. We can't get adults in this country to wear masks and socially distance when they go in to fukken Walmart for an hour - there's no way kids are going to keep a mask on and keep their distance for 6 straight hours every day. It puts teachers in an impossible situation to force them to fight that battle on top of trying to build the relationships needed to actually teach.


I don't think either answer to this is a good one, unfortunately. Selfishly, I want to go back...I'm sick of Zoom and pretending that distance learning is actually effective. But, I honestly don't see how that could work. These safety plans will be impossible....no exaggeration....actually impossible to enforce.
 

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In states where cases have significantly been reduced ie CT

Staggered reopening with a portion of kids in on MW and TR with online classes on Friday (or available every day possibly if practical to those who want to stay home)

This will reduce people indoors at one time and make distancing more possible.

No open cafeterias...prepackaged lunches available. Depending on capability, kids can place their order for lunch ahead of time.

Almost every other state

Stay closed.

Colleges all online, dorms closed.
 

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This is going to be a shyt show of epic proportions.

I wouldn't blame teachers for saying "fukk it" and not returning or just retiring.

The schools may be able to control people in their buildings, but as soon as people leave for the day they can't control their stupidity outside of school property.

Which means plenty of idiots will be potentially bringing the virus into the buildings and infecting others.

Which will probably lead to mass hospitalizations and potentially deaths.

If American society could think as a collective for once and put aside the left vs. right battles, re-opening schools may work.

Sadly I don't think this is possible due to how this country has handled the pandemic and how many people prefer to believe social media scientists over actual scientific studies/reports from credible scientific sources.
 

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In states where cases have significantly been reduced ie CT

Staggered reopening with a portion of kids in on MW and TR with online classes on Friday (or available every day possibly if practical to those who want to stay home)

This will reduce people indoors at one time and make distancing more possible.

No open cafeterias...prepackaged lunches available. Depending on capability, kids can place their order for lunch ahead of time.

Almost every other state

Stay closed.

Colleges all online, dorms closed.
The best plan I've heard is to spread out all k-6 kids throughout all the schools in the district, and have 7-12 do distance learning.
Logistically I don't know if many districts could make that happen, though. Staffing simply isn't set up for it.

I don't know if staying closed is possible for many districts either.

fukked...
 

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The schools may be able to control people in their buildings.

Dont be so sure of that. It's all a facade. And, with this one, fighting kids about masks all day will make being back in school pointless anyway.
 

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My daughter really wants to go back to school. She hated online learning. I voted for a hybrid option where they are onsite sometime and online the other time.

I've been thinking about this a lot and I am pro in-person learning, and I think they need to utilize other businesses to make schools less crowded. Here in MD there are funds both to subsidize early childhood learning and child care. Combine those funds and partner with existing or open childcare centers and push early childhood education, PK & K there. Teachers would still be hired, but they would be working offsite. Also most states have ratios childcare centers cant go beyond, so you can be guaranteed smaller class sizes. Libraries are spacious buildings that virtually go underutilized all day, so maybe some classes can be held there. These are just ideas, I still haven't thought about getting transportation to and from these off-site classrooms.
 

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My daughter really wants to go back to school. She hated online learning. I voted for a hybrid option where they are onsite sometime and online the other time.

I've been thinking about this a lot and I am pro in-person learning, and I think they need to utilize other businesses to make schools less crowded. Here in MD there are funds both to subsidize early childhood learning and child care. Combine those funds and partner with existing or open childcare centers and push early childhood education, PK & K there. Teachers would still be hired, but they would be working offsite. Also most states have ratios childcare centers cant go beyond, so you can be guaranteed smaller class sizes. Libraries are spacious buildings that virtually go underutilized all day, so maybe some classes can be held there. These are just ideas, I still haven't thought about getting transportation to and from these off-site classrooms.
Great ideas, and part of me agrees that we need to do whatever possible to get kids safely back to school.
Being in the system, though, I worry about the logistics. Public education is not a dynamic and flexible institution, unfortunately. It's beholden to public funds, politics, and public pressure. Trying to make change is like fighting the tide. Making all this happen in a month or two seems like a pipe dream to me.
 

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Great ideas, and part of me agrees that we need to do whatever possible to get kids safely back to school.
Being in the system, though, I worry about the logistics. Public education is not a dynamic and flexible institution, unfortunately. It's beholden to public funds, politics, and public pressure. Trying to make change is like fighting the tide. Making all this happen in a month or two seems like a pipe dream to me.

Yeah that's one thing that bothers me about public school; the rules and curriculum have basically been the same since the 1930's :heh: Also, the maddening part is not knowing how the virus will effect different individuals or when it will be over with. So even with good "solutions", there is still uncertainty. I also doubt my school district will be able to provide a feasible solution before September, so most likely another school year of online learning.
 

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Great thread OP.

I said Yes, but I'm more so an advocate of a hybrid model (2 days in, 3 days out - SN: could we add that as a poll option? Hybrid model).

The social component of schooling cannot be understated, especially the younger ones. Additionally, the US just doesn't have the infrastructure to support widespread distant learning. For the parents with means, they can get a private tutor or enroll their kids in supplementary programs like Kumon (:wow: Did it as a child) which would actually increase the educational gap between the haves and have nots at a time where that chasm is growing larger and larger.

The quality of American public education (by Western standards) is already in a poor state. This would only exacerbate the issue. But of course, there's Covid, so you're in between a rock and a hard place.
 

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WHEN they get sick they'll be right back home again so what exactly are you achieving from opening up the schools? What good is school to a kid in the ER and a dead kid?

In the long term, investing in remote learning infrastructure is clearly a far better safer solution...

That said a good hybrid solution is the only opening approach I would consider...
 

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WHEN they get sick they'll be right back home again so what exactly are you achieving from opening up the schools? What good is school to a kid in the ER and a dead kid?

In the long term, investing in remote learning infrastructure is clearly a far better safer solution...

That said a good hybrid solution is the only opening approach I would consider...

Agreed.
 
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