Science eventually leads back to God

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But we’ve been through this before breh

You used to be Christian if I remember correctly so what ever wrong happened in the church MAYBE pushed you to your current beliefs

You also target Paul like most Muslim do.

Islam is very anti the Bible/Jesus and so are atheists because in our society Christianity is a threat

Like I said, it’s just funny the similarities between the two groups and the arguments they use against Jesus and the Bible

I like all the same things you do and have seen all the videos you post so it’s no hard feelings

I kinda find if funny because Ive encounter the same type of people in real life

But these days I don’t really like to argue or debate with Muslims & atheists although I like watching the videos on YouTube

Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all in the same group. Poke a hole in one you poke a hole in all of them.

 

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Genesis 49

my take is this: Jacob says in his dream (before the birth of his children) that he saw a ladder that the angels of God were ascending and descending and that it was the gate of Heaven

i don't know where "dreams" are first described but that has to be one of the first

basically the insinuation is that your children are always on the other side of dreams. If not the idea of the pit of affliction would cause people to never believe

remember if you were Abraham and lets assume his descendants are like him. Would those descendants be happy if they always had the same exact story?

Remember in Exodus it desribes only the children of Israel specifically rather than the children of Jacob

consider if another major character changed his name. IE Saul

if Saul in the New Testament never goes by Paul, would his story always be linked to Saul in Kings/Chronicles etc dealing with Philistines.

So when the children and elders of Israel grumbled against Moses, God sent fiery serpents among them. What if you grumbled in your sleep? Would fiery serpents invade your dream?

Numbers 14:2 Hebrew Text Analysis

Genesis 29:33 Hebrew Text Analysis

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"the son of....complaints?"

Complaint tablet to Ea-nāṣir - Wikipedia

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Numbers 21:9 Hebrew Text Analysis

What do you mean in the bolded quote? You gotta explain where the dreams = children and how the “pit of affliction” is related to it all

And I always found a weird coincidence between Saul in the Hebrew Bible, his story and Saul who persecuted Christians before becoming Paul.

I was reading it recently. I probably need to ask @Koichos what his opinion is on the story of Saul.

 

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lmao no it doesn't, ridiculous statement.

 

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There are two "miracles" that Science accepts as having happened, but cannot explain.

The so called big bang. An easy way to imagine it is one singularity exploding into the entire universe we have now. Seems unbelievable, actually. Another idea is that the big bang was not a single point but more of a cosmos wide happening. The results are essentially the same. Early universe full of only Hydrogen and quickly Helium. Formation of stars which clump into galaxies and create more complex elements inside the stars. And so forth.

The other is DNA. Self replicating super complex molecules. It happened once so far.. since all Earthling life forms are related to one biogenesis event. Seems like new strains of life would happen on Earth countless times if it could happen once.

Science takes these moments for granted but cannot explain how such things could happen.

And since the entire trajectory of creation of elements is toward greater complexity and the development of life is obviously a march toward greater complexity it seems that there is a .. plan.. of some sort. A design.

Call all that what you want but it's real. It's not Greek and Roman mythology. It's not Hindu mythology. It's not Abrahamic religion. Ancient people had an idea of spirituality but these rigid mythological and religious systems are just misguided relics.

Those are "miracles", breh. What made you think that?

 

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What do you mean in the bolded quote? You gotta explain where the dreams = children and how the “pit of affliction” is related to it all

And I always found a weird coincidence between Saul in the Hebrew Bible, his story and Saul who persecuted Christians before becoming Paul.

I was reading it recently. I probably need to ask @Koichos what his opinion is on the story of Saul.

its the idea of entities that claim to always be harmed by something (when God saw that Leah was hated, he expanded her womb and she conceived)

how could the sight of something imply it was hated?

on some cyclops laser eyes shiet

that may seem kind of outlandish but a better example would be in games where you can use items with "return dmg or thorns"

in theory the creatures that eat just the green herb would seemingly be anywhere and everywhere as they would never be fully considered guilty

God never said what the beasts, fishes, creeping things do in their spare time

 

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its the idea of entities that claim to always be harmed by something (when God saw that Leah was hated, he expanded her womb and she conceived)

how could the sight of something imply it was hated?

on some cyclops laser eyes shiet

that may seem kind of outlandish but a better example would be in games where you can use items with "return dmg or thorns"

in theory the creatures that eat just the green herb would seemingly be anywhere and everywhere as they would never be fully considered guilty

God never said what the beasts, fishes, creeping things do in their spare time

And what about this quote:

basically the insinuation is that your children are always on the other side of dreams. If not the idea of the pit of affliction would cause people to never believe

what does this have to do with Jacob’s latter dream?

 

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And what about this quote:

basically the insinuation is that your children are always on the other side of dreams. If not the idea of the pit of affliction would cause people to never believe

what does this have to do with Jacob’s latter dream?

in that time period, God was considered foremost as signs of fertility

so when the LORD or the angel of the LORD came to someone it was usually a sign of offspring (see this story)


but mystically speaking you can have children from more than one reasoning (according to Genesis atleast)

so the "fear of the LORD" could be interpreted as fear over the children you were producing (fleshly and spiritually)

in the line of Ishmael (God has heard), his firstborn is Nebaioth and consider the meaning of his name

The amazing name Nebaioth: meaning and etymology

An indepth look at the meaning and etymology of the awesome name Nebaioth. We'll discuss the original Hebrew, plus the words and names Nebaioth is related to, plus the occurences of this name in the Bible.

www.abarim-publications.com

Meaning
High Places
Seen, Regarded
Having Prophesied

when I read the Quran that is the insinuation is they have seen the high places and just list what will happen. So the affliction could be that context: the this will happen etc

and in Jacob's ladder he saw the angels of God traversing this ladder from heaven (and i interpret angel as messenger)

 

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in that time period, God was considered foremost as signs of fertility

so when the LORD or the angel of the LORD came to someone it was usually a sign of offspring (see this story)


but mystically speaking you can have children from more than one reasoning (according to Genesis atleast)

so the "fear of the LORD" could be interpreted as fear over the children you were producing (fleshly and spiritually)

in the line of Ishmael (God has heard), his firstborn is Nebaioth and consider the meaning of his name

The amazing name Nebaioth: meaning and etymology

An indepth look at the meaning and etymology of the awesome name Nebaioth. We'll discuss the original Hebrew, plus the words and names Nebaioth is related to, plus the occurences of this name in the Bible.

www.abarim-publications.com

when I read the Quran that is the insinuation is they have seen the high places and just list what will happen. So the affliction could be that context: the this will happen etc

and in Jacob's ladder he saw the angels of God traversing this ladder from heaven (and i interpret angel as messenger)

I can see that interpretation. Having a child/children is a reoccurring theme of the Hebrew Bible

But I think I should probably read genesis and see what was going on regarding Jacob’s ladder and the meaning/context

But aside from that, you do know Muhammad has no provable linage to Ishmael (no in the Quran anyway) and “Arabs” aren’t necessarily Ishmaelites by blood or because any tribal affiliation or religious beliefs

Yea there was always “pagan” Arabs but there’s also plenty Arab Jews and Arab Christians (speaking Arabic, Arab culture having people in Arabia) well before Islam, Muslims or Muhammad ever existed

You can’t give Islam the benefit of doubt as having a connection to the Old Testament or god of Israel because THEY gave that identity to themselves after the fact

But as history has played out they’ve deceived the world in believing this, and created a new religion/prophet and book from it. It has succeeded so maybe it doesn’t matter. It’s part of prophecy one way or another…. But I guess the point is:

If you believe the stories Arabs created about themselves and their prophet why not believe what the NOI or Mormons say about Israel or the Jews?

Don’t stop there.

Go even further and believe the Hebrew Israelites teachings that THEY are the original Hebrews by blood

Everyone misinterprets the Bible and also tries to rewrite history to fit their narrative

 

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Islam, Christianity, and Judaism are all in the same group. Poke a hole in one you poke a hole in all of them.

You're wrong in this statement. I can prove it.

Judaism and Christianity do not need Islam theologically or even as a final sequel to some sort of “trilogy” as Muslims might argue.

Prove Islam wrong and the other two religions aren’t affected at all other there will be tons of new former Muslim converts to Christianity (because they already regard Jesus as a prophet)

On the contrary,

Prove Judaism false and Christianity has no foundation

Prove Jesus didn’t exist and Islam has no purpose