Sean Price was the catalyst for the underground/street rap resurgence

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Another thing that separated Roc was he was on some fly shyt. Like. The nikka made the shyt look cool. nikka was like an underground rapper who was flyer than all the mainstream nikkas.

This here. Roc is really the first underground rapper to mix flossing with a "real hip-hop" sound and pull it off. To a far lesser extent I'd say Planet Asia too, but Asia doesn't make that the focus of his style like Roc does.

 

[raw613]

He.definately did, if it doesn't get brought up as much it's probably because Roc Marciano , Griselda.and all those guys started getting a buzz when what they did was even further away from the mainstream, but Sean P really did revive his career organically and laid the blueprint for that lane for sure

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Definitely don’t feel bad! He kept a lot of his health issues on the low, and not many people knew anything until after he passed away, and to this day he still isn’t a lot of info out there. I’m not trying to sound secretive either, because honestly I don’t even really know what the exact cause of death was. I just know that he was not healthy.

I think all things considered he actually did a pretty good job of trying to make the best out of a bad situation when it came to changing up his flow and delivery a little bit. Also I thought it was dope that he had so much charisma that he kind of made you not even realize it. I just listen to Mic Tyson and it didn’t sound bad at all to me. I listen to monkey Barz afterwards and I could hear the difference obviously, but I do really like Tyson.

It was obvious his health affected his music, specifically his voice. He spoke on it occassionally. He explained that he was at risk of losing his voice during recording the Master P mixtape and his doctor told him he had to stop rapping for a bit after he had throat surgery to remove polyps. That's why he sounds so raspy on some of the joints he did after Monkey Barz.

And then even after his voicebox healed up you can hear the weight gain and breathing issues on some of his shyt. Almost like how Big Pun started slurring his words a bit before he died. Just listen to P here vs how he sounded on Monkey Barz or in the 90s.

 

[erker]

Nah breh Company Flow was a part of that nerdy backpacker shyt that Rawkus was synonymous with

That may be, but Rawkus definitely was important in the uprise of underground hip hop. Their influence can't be understated.

 

[erker]

I'm a Co-Flow stan to the fullest and would probably put Funcrusher Plus in my top 5 favorite hip-hop albums ever (definitely at least top 10), but nah.....

The last song they ever released as a trio was in '98 and the last shyt El-P and DJ Mr. Len did dropped in '99. They may have technically still existed on paper, but they were defunct as a group years before P, DOOM, or Mega really got established in the indie scene. Operation: Doomsday wasn't even out by the time they folded.

While they might be considered the forefathers of the underground/indie movement on the East Coast (technically it was the Wu. Wu-Tang Records was an indie label putting out their early singles and singles from Sunz of Man, but their albums were all on major labels), their prominence is more of the late 90s early 2000s backpack, Rawkus, Fondle 'Em, Brick, Guesswhyld era.

Great post, I can agree with most of this.

In your last sentence you say the prominence of Sean P is more of the late 90's early 2000s backpack, Rawkus, Fondle 'Em era. Co Flow was on Rawkus and had part in their early rise, so I would still say you can trace it back to them, even though the music is different in vibe.

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

Great post I agree with a lot of this. In your last sentence you say the prominence of Sean P is more of the late 90's early 2000s backpack, Rawkus, Fondle 'Em era. Co Flow was on Rawkus and had part in their early popularity, so I would still say you can trace it to them, even though the music is different in vibe.

I was talking about Company Flow in that last sentence, not Price. Sean hadn't released any solo material in '99, his first solo releases weren't until 2001 with those 12" singles Duck Down put out with "Don't Say Shyt To Ruck" and shyt he was doing with Agallah.

Like I said, I'm a huge Company Flow head, but their influence and popularity was a different time and slightly different era than these later cats. And it goes without saying the sound and subject matter is night and day.

 

[Danie84]

Shaun Carter is Nice but Sean Price is the BEST

 

[Cadillac]

eh, i always felt hevwas a mix between Lupe and Andre 3000

then you must not really listen to them
Lupe is a more metaphoric, socially concious rapper. As opposed to Kendrick who is way more of a straightforward/Blunt, introspective rapper.

lyrically its night and day Lupe gives songs like Mural, and kendrick isnt as hes not really a lyricist like that nor is that his focus.

Him and Lupe aint the same at all. Hell, Kendrick dont have much in common with 3k either. Although some traits like voice inflections are there and maybe cadence can be argued.

 

[Cadillac]

This here. Roc is really the first underground rapper to mix flossing with a "real hip-hop" sound and pull it off. To a far lesser extent I'd say Planet Asia too, but Asia doesn't make that the focus of his style like Roc does.

idk about roc being the first, but i do agree on their styles tho, this is how i would describe them.

 

[Art Barr]

Crazy that Everyone mentioned here flopped in their first attempts to get on. Doom
Mega
Roc Marci
Sean P
Currensy

only Prodigy was a bonafide legend who fell off and then had a resurgence starting with Return of The Mac.

when did nocturnal flop?


art barr

 

[Art Barr]

I feel like what was underground became a stereotype mainly due to Rawkus. They spearheaded that whole nerdy rap backpacker image. Before that underground really was strictly about not trying to crossover

hiphopinfinity and fard ruined underground rap with their racist bullshyt.
that today we still under the banner of their fans.
namely the a&r company that worked atmosphere.
became the firm that now creates.
why everything is the way it is now.
so it is all on who some white people want to support and make the new version of slug.
or in most cases try to authenticate this hood person just because they want to. While making up new rules for the culture of hiphop based on their white privilege.
so they can be cool and pedestal who they like and then try to false validate it.

which is why you see this silly ass infatuation with ruthless record style artist who are real now but emo.


art barr

 

[mobbinfms]

when did nocturnal flop?


art barr

Not Nocturnal specifically, but Heltah Skeltah as a whole. Sean P made a song about the fact that his career was basically over.

 

[Art Barr]

Not Nocturnal specifically, but Heltah Skeltah as a whole. Sean P made a song about the fact that his career was basically over.

that was because of administration.
that was not because of why all of bcc failed to change to the sonic landscape change.


art barr

 

[mobbinfms]

that was because of administration.
that was not because of why all of bcc failed to change to the sonic landscape change.


art barr

Regardless of what caused it, it happened.
Personally, I loved Nocturnal and didn’t care for Magnum Force.

 

[Art Barr]

Regardless of what caused it, it happened.
Personally, I loved Nocturnal and didn’t care for Magnum Force.

it did not happen.
jiggy happened and instead of nikkaz dissing who they should have. They let mainstream shyt dictate to them. When all they had to do was stick to their guns. Which was beatminerz and online.
by following Pac dying and thinking they were cut off from this mainstream gateway in his death. Is what happened. When even if Pac did live. It would not have meant mainstream permeation at all for bcc and one nation.



art barr