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Sean Price was the catalyst for the underground/street rap resurgence
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Love anytime Sean P gets love on The Coli. I got nothing to add that hasn't already been said so Imma just drop some of my favorite Price songs below. Bless up brehs. P!
Take It In Blood
Banned
Prodigy and Sean P's deaths were the last rappers deaths that I actually cared about
every rapper that died after them was garbage for the most part
from XXX to Juiceworld, all them lil nikkas garbage
sorry
every rapper that died after them was garbage for the most part
from XXX to Juiceworld, all them lil nikkas garbage
sorry
New Jeruzalem Journalist
Superstar
I kinda see it slightly different and think Walt nailed it. The underground/independent resurgence of the mid-2000s on the east coast was spearheaded by DOOM, Cormega, and Sean Price, with a few other established acts going that route and spitting grimy street shyt. (Prodigy, Big Twin, NYGz, Blaq Poet, were all basically doing what Griselda is doing 10 years earlier).
Sean reinvented himself to gain an entirely new audience, yet still was able to retain his previous 90s fan base of BCC fans. I know for a fact that there are thousands of fans of Sean Price from his later years who never even heard Nocturnal or even knew The Fab 5 even existed before they were first exposed to him.
Style-wise however, while Price obviously rapped about street shyt, he was more of a mix of shyt talker, battle MC, hood dude with a unique blend of humor and skill than a pure goon/thug like Griselda's music is centered on. I'm not their biggest fan and don't have as much of a grasp on their discography as some cats on this board, but they come across as related, but different flavors than Sean's sound and subject matter.
Sean financially would be eating in these later years, but I don't see him becoming the face of a movement through his music alone primarily cuz he always talked about how much he hated the "limelight" and industry hip-hop politics. I think his lane would have been using the music to venture into other forms of hip-hop media. I think about how huge of a comic book/Marvel nerd he was and his penchant for pop culture references like DOOM. I could definitely see him having a Netflix or web series just being himself but interacting with other cultures that intertwine with hip-hop, and his humor and personality turning him into a minor celebrity.
NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
Facts
NormanConnors
Detroit/MSU Spartan Life
Absolutely there is. Not in the mainstream, but I don't even know what that means anymore, because no one even listens to the radio anymore anyways. A LOT of underground/indie cats are eating super well off vinyl sales, touring (before COVID at least), etc. There's so much underground street rap that drops every Friday that I have hours of music on my 2020 playlist that I haven't even gotten to yet.
When Jay-Z is saying Price of Tea in China is his favorite album this year, you know that it's being paid attention to. That and him saying Overdose by Conway is a song that he's been having on repeat.Matter of fact since Jay has a tendency to be a trend-chaser, I've even got a conspiracy theory that Jay's next album is going to be more like the current underground/indie NY sound. I think Tea in China is gonna be a big influence for Jay's next album.
Roc Marciano and Ka. Westside Gunn, Conway, Benny, and Boldy James. Mach-Hommy and Fahim. 38 Spesh, Ransom, Che Noir, and Trust Gang. Flee Lord and Elcamino. RJ Payne. Grafh. All these people have a lane. It's crazy with cats like Ransom and Grafh too, because their careers basically were in no man's land, and they've been able to reinvigorate themselves. Freddie Gibbs dances in and out of the lane, but you can count him too.
It's helping producers too. Cats 25 years deep in the game like Madlib and Alchemist are now highly sought after for entire projects, and not just one-off song placements, and they are helping newer producers get work for entire projects with one artist or group.
Bingo
New Jeruzalem Journalist
Superstar
Also, to kinda add on to the premise of what I said, peep this interview from Capone-N-Noreaga. I've posted it before, it's one of my favorite examples of artists being genuine hip-hop fans and appreciating someone else's body of work. They doing promo and an interview for War Report 2 and Nore starts bigging up Sean Price and explaining why he's such a fan and how fukked up it is that NY radio ain't supporting him on a bigger level (fukk Ebro btw 
).
And this was like 5 or so years BEFORE Price died.
(Relevant part starts at 3:24)
It's particularly telling seeing how big Nore became with Drink Champs and the ability of cats to take the music into other areas of success, which like I said, P would have been tailor made for.
).And this was like 5 or so years BEFORE Price died.
(Relevant part starts at 3:24)
It's particularly telling seeing how big Nore became with Drink Champs and the ability of cats to take the music into other areas of success, which like I said, P would have been tailor made for.
New Jeruzalem Journalist
Superstar
For Da People definitely fukked up their momentum and as a crew they got completely overshadowed dropping that the same time Wu-Tang Forever took over the planet. But I disagree with your assessment of their second wave of albums. I'll grant you Cocoa Brovaz/Smif-N-Wessun's 2nd album was a let down, but OGC and Black Moon's second albums were both very dope. I can do without the BDI Thug album though.
BCC's 3 biggest reasons IMO for their stall and backtracking from becoming even a greater presence in hip-hop and mainstream acceptance were:
1. Priority not promoting them and handling their careers properly. Rock spoke on this in his Vlad interview.
2. Abandoning Da Beatminerz. A BCC group LP fully produced by them around '96/'97 would have been beyond epic and may have seriously given the Wu a run for their money.
3. Tupac getting killed. People don't realize how much Pac would have helped their movement and given them greater recognition. For all intents and purposes, Pac was damn near an honorary member of Boot Camp. He would have been fukking with them and Duck Down heavy.
When Jay-Z is saying Price of Tea in China is his favorite album this year, you know that it's being paid attention to. That and him saying Overdose by Conway is a song that he's been having on repeat.
if Hov next album is this new underground sound, the booth would shut down
New Jeruzalem Journalist
Superstar
if Hov next album is this new underground sound, the booth would shut down
It would be dope, but my biggest complaint with dudes like Jay, Em, 50, and even Nas to an extent, but mostly Jay, is why the fukk haven't they done this YEARS ago??
Jay is practically almost a billionaire and he came up loving this culture and being hip-hop, same as all of us. I never understood why they never could just throw us a bone, even on some EP shyt, and just drop a pure "hip-hop" album. He clearly doesn't need to use his music to keep him fed. Jay at one point had the power to steer the direction of the hip-hop music industry anyway he chose.Eminem owes his entire existence to underground hip-hop. The fukk is he almost 25 years in the game dropping horse shyt albums nobody gives a fukk about for when he's swimming in cash, but will give you a "quarantine playlist" of classic hip-hop songs showing you how much he loves this shyt?? Nothings stopping him from making music like that. He came in the game getting production from fukking DJ Spinna and Da Beatminerz. If your legacy is secured, you call your own shots, and your wallet is stable, I don't understand the hesitation for these dudes to drop the commercial appeal.
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Hail!!
Genuinely shocked no1 mentioned Styles P, i often say Styles my fav post 2k most his mix tapes better than most label releases. How many these new cats gotta joint w/ Styles? How many joints Styles laced on a mixtape, killing the original? I'm in no way disparaging Sean P but another P needs to be mentioned
Metal Face
Superstar
P carried rap from 05-09
shyt was looking
without him
shyt was looking
without him
Didn't he say he'd eaten some mushrooms before recording that and he had to get his bars out before he started tripping?
I'm a Styles P fan but his music really don't sound anything like what Roc and Griselda is doing
spliz
SplizThaDon
Yea P, Doom etc def opened the door. He directly helped Roc Marci with that Snow Remix. Roc Marci kicked it down tho. That’s how I always looked at it. nikkas sleepin on Curren$y as well. Especially Covert Coup. Alchemist basically tested his new sound on Curren$y.
