Seattle agrees to raise minimum wage to $15

[ExodusNirvana]

I want to be a billionaire and move to a tiny island in the carribean...and grow weed while I eat steak and mangos and get fat as slender sun tanned beauties rub my ever expanding gut and remind me that I am King Exodus the 1st of his name...Lord of Exo Island...King of the Mangos and of the Steak...Protector of the Palm Tree

fukking 2:55

 

[tmonster]

25% of the workforce is on govt. assistance, 52% of fast food workers.....Does anybody understand the economic implications here? Socialism for big business, and "free market" for us peons. We are subsidizing these wages! Just pass the buck, and go on Fox news and complain about mooching blacks. Its the American way!

basically
but we are also subsidizing the massive salaries of the ceo's

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Y'all arguing about what's going to happen, but the good thing is in due time, we'll all see. Everyone bookmark this thread. It still be very interesting a couple if years from now. My guess is the sky won't fall and Seattle won't turn into a Charles Buchowski poem.

I wish there was message board archives throughout history so we can see the alarmist warnings of the "pro-business community" when Teddy Rooosevelt was trust busting.

Or when they implemented the graduated income tax.

Or when they ended child labor, established mandatory overtime pay, and the 40 hour work week.

Or all the various reforms of the New Deal.

I think the juggernaut of American business we like to brag about so much can adjust to paying people a wage that adjusted for increased productivity, still wouldn't even be minimum wage in 1965.

 

[88m3]

I dont think that line of conversation has anything to do with "all this welfare"

I'm asking you what the answer to this issue is? You're not saying much in regards to it.

25% of the workforce is on govt. assistance, 52% of fast food workers.....Does anybody understand the economic implications here? Socialism for big business, and "free market" for us peons. We are subsidizing these wages! Just pass the buck, and go on Fox news and complain about mooching blacks. Its the American way!

Apparently it's only fine when big business does it. I really don't see the logic.

 

[ManBearPig]

Can Chicago have that?

 

[tmonster]

Y'all arguing about what's going to happen, but the good thing is in due time, we'll all see. Everyone bookmark this thread. It still be very interesting a couple if years from now. My guess is the sky won't fall and Seattle won't turn into a Charles Buchowski poem.

I wish there was message board archives throughout history so we can see the alarmist warnings of the "pro-business community" when Teddy Rooosevelt was trust busting.

Or when they implemented the graduated income tax.

Or when they ended child labor, established mandatory overtime pay, and the 40 hour work week.

Or all the various reforms of the New Deal.

I think the juggernaut of American business we like to brag about so much can adjust to paying people a wage that adjusted for inflation, still wouldn't even be minimum wage in 1965.

notice how the chicken littles are all staying away from this thread:zfg:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/one-...s-like-after-raising-the-minimum-wage.210970/

 

[No1]

Look @Ed MOTHEREFFING G is pretty liberal, I think it's important to convince people like him because when natural allies are pausing then your argument isn't persuasive. There is no reason to categorize him, or anyone else who is unconvinced or given pause by the passage of this law that as a sycophant for a class that he is not a part of. Half the time we spend more time regurgitating talking points about how brainwashed people may be than dealing with the substance of their arguments. I see people do it all the time even to guys like @Domingo Halliburton or even me. Agreeing with you ideologically and agreeing with your remedy to a problem do not necessarily go hand in hand.

We can all point out issues an inequities, but it takes much more to actual craft solutions. No one in here has really pointed out specifically how he will be wrong. All I'm seeing are people talking about historical and current inequity, but not necessarily seeking to demonstrate how a 15 dollar minimum wage is the answer. With that said, I think this will be an interesting experiment. Seattle is now the testing ground for the crux of the liberal platform and how it turns out will surely be highlighted by both parties. I personally hope it succeeds, but a minimum wage increase alone will not nearly compensate for all the other costs that lower-income people in the US have to take on that has led to their current conditions.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Look @Ed MOTHEREFFING G is pretty liberal,

No he isn't. If you ask him yourself, I'm sure he'll say he's a moderate. He is not "pretty liberal."

 

[unit321]

If I had a choice of going to McDonald's in Seattle or out of the city limits, I would go to neither. Those outside the city would care less about health standards because they are getting paid less and those in the city are too busy to deal with health standards because their manager is working them for every dime.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Y'all arguing about what's going to happen, but the good thing is in due time, we'll all see. Everyone bookmark this thread. It still be very interesting a couple if years from now. My guess is the sky won't fall and Seattle won't turn into a Charles Buchowski poem.

I wish there was message board archives throughout history so we can see the alarmist warnings of the "pro-business community" when Teddy Rooosevelt was trust busting.

Or when they implemented the graduated income tax.

Or when they ended child labor, established mandatory overtime pay, and the 40 hour work week.

Or all the various reforms of the New Deal.

I think the juggernaut of American business we like to brag about so much can adjust to paying people a wage that adjusted for inflation, still wouldn't even be minimum wage in 1965.

These economic events and epochs occurred during the open American caste system of governance (blacks not included), so Im sure these hypothetical convos were reasonably lucid. Once blacks were integrated post-CRA, conservatives bullied their constituency into understanding "government" as taking from whites and giving to undeserving blacks. Before, and even in the ensuing years after the CRA, conservatives held fairly sophisticated views on the role of government as a constitution of opinion (Friedman, Reagan, Buckley would probably be considered socialists based on the progression of the party to its current state), but now there is zero space for intellectualism. Hence, the Bundy fiasco.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

No he isn't. If you ask him yourself, I'm sure he'll say he's a moderate. He is not "pretty liberal."

I'm definitely socially liberal, much more left when it comes to defense and diplomacy, and I find myself to be liberal on matters of a national fiscal matter, and more conservative on matters of a state or local fiscal matter.

Those (State/Local) budgets and their impact are more sensitive than their larger counterparts.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

notice how the chicken littles are all staying away from this thread:zfg:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/one-...s-like-after-raising-the-minimum-wage.210970/

Yeah I saw that. This is something entirely different, but this made me recall why I made this thread.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/free...-wrong-on-everything-since-2008-thread.45702/

On sohh, at the height of the great recession in 08-09, a handful of the libertarian/free marketeers types and Fed conspiracy types were talking about how collapse of our entire economic structure was imminent due to TARP, rising debt, stimulus and especially quantitative easing and the whole expansionary monetary approach the Fed took.

I mean these dudes were talking about we were going to have third world type anarchy, there was going to be food shortages, bank runs, the dollar would be worthless, there would be Zimbabwe-like hyperinflation, the stock market would death spiral, all types of apocalyptic Mad Max shyt. And they said it was right around the corner.

I was still fairly new to trying to learn macroeconomics, but I was listening to the words of Krugman and Stiglitz, who proved to be far more prescient than Peter Schiff, Glenn Beck, and KTL's free marketeer crew and I called

Anyway, that's a different story. But this thread will be very interesting 2-3 years from now.

 

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

and btw, LOL @ deciding if I consider myself liberal or conservative. The arrogance by some of you is heavy.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I'm definitely socially liberal, much more left when it comes to defense and diplomacy, and I find myself to be liberal on matters of a national fiscal matter, and more conservative on matters of a state or local fiscal matter.

Those (State/Local) budgets and their impact are more sensitive than their larger counterparts.

You're not very liberal when it comes to gay people though bruh.

 

[No1]

No he isn't. If you ask him yourself, I'm sure he'll say he's a moderate. He is not "pretty liberal."

I've talked to him multiple times and @Ed MOTHEREFFING G has referred to himself as liberal on most issues in reference to his background from Ann Arbor. Even if I was wrong (I'm not) that doesn't defeat the point that he's not out here trying to cape for rich people which is the obvious point of my post. Let's not get into a pointless debate. There are already enough things in thread (onion and currant articles) that are unnecessary.