Senator Sanders and the Average Workweek

[Scoop]

Deep, well thought out response.

Figured you'd be smart enough that I wouldn't have to list what had changed since 1938, but I guess not.

 

[Scoop]

Let's stop acting like this is a fantasy world.

First of all, a car is NOT a luxury, it's a necessity in many places. Not everyone lives in new york.

Planning your course of action is very smart but even then, that's not always a garenteed career anymore.

Now you have to go to school for much longer than before because jobs aren't satisfied with just an associates degree any more, you gotta come better than that. That means going further into dept. Not to mention school has NEVER been as expensive as it is today, while wages have been stagnant for decades.

They also require actual work experience in the field your going for and for someone with simply their education and no connections are gonna have a more difficult time than they would have 40 years ago.

It is not always realistic to work full time and go to school.

Where I live, 15 an hour isn't even enough to support yourself, forget minimum wage.

School is not designed to be achieved by everyone, an expecting everyone to go to school is not a realistic answer. What happen to all the decent physical labor jobs that use to pay so well? That's what you should be asking.

Cause the problem isn't that people are lazy, wanting to work minimum wage and live like a king, the problem is that middle class manual labor jobs have been sent over seas and replaced with low paying jobs.

Sorry breh. I know plenty of people in school that live without cars including me. You're kinda spoiled if you can afford to have one and call it a necessity.

I'm in my 6th year of college, but I'm at least going for something substantial (JD) from a school good enough that I'll be able to pay it off when I'm done.

People aren't lazy that work a min wage job 30 plus hours but they are unskilled and that's just as bad.

 

[tmonster]

The problem is too many people work at fast food places and think they should still have smartphones and cars.

this is such an interesting thing you say
I think it's the cell phone and car manufacturers who think, and desperately want, everyone should have a cell phone and car
I think without all those people you can't have the Potemkin village of an economy that capitalism strives for so ardently

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Senator Sanders and the Average Workweek
By Chelsea German



Senator Bernie Sanders recently tweeted the following.

Fortunately, the gruelingly long workweek described by Sanders is not the norm. In fact, leisure time has been on the rise. In 1950, an average U.S. worker worked 1,984 hours a year, or about 38 hours a week. In 2015, an average American worker worked 1,767 hours, or about 34 hours a week.

That means that the average U.S. worker had 217 more hours for leisure or other pursuits in 2015 than in 1950. That is about 9 days of extra time.

That rebuttal is bullsht.

In the 1950s and 1960s, most women weren't working, so those stats are for 1 parent working 40 hours/week to put food on the table. Nowadays 3/4 of families have both parents working, so they BOTH are doing 30-35 hours to make ends meet. The hours/worker is dropping just because more and more workers are flooding the workplace as two-income households grow.

And, of course, Bernie talking about working class people at the bottom of the totem pole, not national averages.

 

[Mr Rager]

Work less, make less money. The tweet is obviously about people who are not salaried. Nive try Chelsea German

 

[Swirv]

You're not supposed to be supporting yourself at minimum wage jobs.

The problem is too many people work at fast food places and think they should still have smartphones and cars.

Min wage jobs are jobs for highschoolers not supporting themselves.

Unless youre on a career path at a fast food that shouldnt be the only stop in your professional development. When i worked at fast food in the 90's there were teens mostly, one old lady washing dishes, supervisor in her 20's and a manager in his 40's.

 

[Wild self]

at this rate work will be obsolete in 5 years
good news everyone

Basic income

 

[5n0man]

Sorry breh. I know plenty of people in school that live without cars including me. You're kinda spoiled if you can afford to have one and call it a necessity.

the world doesn't live the same as whatever city you.

Tell me, how is a person that works in san bernardino, goes to school in riverside, and lives in Victorville, is supposed to make ends meet with out a car?
(real life example, my girl does this everyday)

Let me guess, relocate and uproot their whole life to move somewhere else? With no car???

Not everywhere is the same as your little bubble.

People aren't lazy that work a min wage job 30 plus hours but they are unskilled and that's just as bad.

Minimum wage was not intended for highschoolers and shyt, it's to stop people from being paid so low that they need government assistance to survive.

Not everyone can be a skilled worker, SOMEBODY has to do these jobs. EVERYONE can't be a boss.

it is not the tax payers job to supplement companies that rake in billions In profits while telling workers to apply for food stamps.

Explain to me why tax payers should be forced to give up their money to pay for people cause their employers dont want to pay a living wage? If they do what to pay it, why should we???

Maybe your one of those people that feel like anyone that can't afford to go to school or something should be put out on the streets. watch how fast this county goes third world status If that were to happen.

IMO any company that doesn't wanna break bread with the American people that sell their bullshyt then they shouldn't be allowed to sell product to the greatest economy with the strongest buying power. They should sell their shyt in china, and get the fukk out.

I'd bet these companies would rather pay that wage than to be cut off from their biggest consumer base.

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Right on snowman.

Slow clap

 

[Scoop]

the world doesn't live the same as whatever city you.

Tell me, how is a person that works in san bernardino, goes to school in riverside, and lives in Victorville, is supposed to make ends meet with out a car?
(real life example, my girl does this everyday)

Let me guess, relocate and uproot their whole life to move somewhere else? With no car???

Not everywhere is the same as your little bubble.

Minimum wage was not intended for highschoolers and shyt, it's to stop people from being paid so low that they need government assistance to survive.

Not everyone can be a skilled worker, SOMEBODY has to do these jobs. EVERYONE can't be a boss.

it is not the tax payers job to supplement companies that rake in billions In profits while telling workers to apply for food stamps.

Explain to me why tax payers should be forced to give up their money to pay for people cause their employers dont want to pay a living wage? If they do what to pay it, why should we???

Maybe your one of those people that feel like anyone that can't afford to go to school or something should be put out on the streets. watch how fast this county goes third world status If that were to happen.

IMO any company that doesn't wanna break bread with the American people that sell their bullshyt then they shouldn't be allowed to sell product to the greatest economy with the strongest buying power. They should sell their shyt in china, and get the fukk out.

I'd bet these companies would rather pay that wage than to be cut off from their biggest consumer base.

The minimum wage was intended to protect people from abnormally low wages of the Great Depression and to strengthen the New Deal Coalition for the Democratic Party among laborers. It was not meant to support families when times were good/fair.

When did I say taxpayers should pay for anything?

I don't live in a bubble. I'm from Tampa and moved to Gainesville with no car to go to school. I'm still here. I pay for it with loans and work some. Thousands of kids go to school here with no car. And Gainesville ain't New York City. You ARE spoiled if you need a car to go college, and there's thousands of kids here including me to prove you wrong. You're little scenario in the 2nd line is BS. No one in their right mind should live, work and go to school in three different cities. If you're struggling to get around to three different cities you did that to yourself by choosing to live, work and go to school in three different cities.

Someone has to work lower paying jobs, you're right about that. They should be dual income household people, high schoolers/kids or single people who realize you don't need cars/smartphones like I said. There's more then enough people in those three groups to fill those jobs.

I have no issue with the minimum wage and I do believe it should exist and at least not be lowered, but I don't feel for people complaining they can't support their kids or can't afford 3 GB's of data every month for their cell while all they do is work the box office at a movie theatre (like I used to do for minimum wage) or bus tables (which I also did for minimum wage).

 

[5n0man]

You're little scenario in the 2nd line is BS. No one in their right mind should live, work and go to school in three different cities. If you're struggling to get around to three different cities you did that to yourself by choosing to live, work and go to school in three different cities.

If you think times are good then your lost.

This statement proves that you do live and a bubble and have no clue how shyt works around the country. You don't know shyt about the three cities I just named or how poor the public transportation system is out here. Those cities are in close proximity to each other but separated by mountains. Nothing is close out here, living, working, and going to school in the same city is highly unrealistic.


You don't know shyt about living in the i.e. and what kinda opportunities people have in other parts of this country.

We are done here.

 

[Scoop]

If you think times are good then your lost.

This statement proves that you do live and a bubble and have no clue how shyt works around the country. You don't know shyt about the three cities I just named or how poor the public transportation system is out here. Those cities are in close proximity to each other but separated by mountains. Nothing is close out here, living, working, and going to school in the same city is highly unrealistic.


You don't know shyt about living in the i.e. and what kinda opportunities people have in other parts of this country.

We are done here.

nah you just planned out what you were doing with your life like shyt

I know the inland empire is sprawled like shyt. They still have McDonalds close to UC Riverside you can work at though. SB isnt the only of those three cities that has minimum wage/no skill jobs.

Yall are quick to put any dissenters "in a bubble" while you live "in the real world." It protects you all from actually having to answer any criticisms of your points. Apparently I'm an exception because I don't need a car to live. Maybe instead, a large amount of people are just different from you and don't need/want your protections and their associated costs.

And you didn't answer any point I made because you can't.

 

[ghostwriterx]

The minimum wage was intended to protect people from abnormally low wages of the Great Depression and to strengthen the New Deal Coalition for the Democratic Party among laborers. It was not meant to support families when times were good/fair.

When did I say taxpayers should pay for anything?

I don't live in a bubble. I'm from Tampa and moved to Gainesville with no car to go to school. I'm still here. I pay for it with loans and work some. Thousands of kids go to school here with no car. And Gainesville ain't New York City. You ARE spoiled if you need a car to go college, and there's thousands of kids here including me to prove you wrong. You're little scenario in the 2nd line is BS. No one in their right mind should live, work and go to school in three different cities. If you're struggling to get around to three different cities you did that to yourself by choosing to live, work and go to school in three different cities.

Someone has to work lower paying jobs, you're right about that. They should be dual income household people, high schoolers/kids or single people who realize you don't need cars/smartphones like I said. There's more then enough people in those three groups to fill those jobs.

I have no issue with the minimum wage and I do believe it should exist and at least not be lowered, but I don't feel for people complaining they can't support their kids or can't afford 3 GB's of data every month for their cell while all they do is work the box office at a movie theatre (like I used to do for minimum wage) or bus tables (which I also did for minimum wage).

The callousness and disdain you show for people working minimum wage jobs is quite disturbing.

 

[Scoop]

The callousness and disdain you show for people working minimum wage jobs is quite disturbing.

You shouldn't have kids if you can't afford them. 3 GB's of smartphone data every month is a luxury.

I didn't have either of those things while I worked minimum wage jobs.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Gotta love the crabs in a barrel mentality