Senator Sanders and the Average Workweek

[Tate]

Do we have to have the same lengthy arguments about MW we've had for ages on here overtime you come in with the same tired and debunked arguments?

I have a different perception of MW, one currently supported by US domestic policy in action and theory, than you do....which is fine...but don't ignore past thorough arguments in lieu of present ones.

You're not an idiot, don't act like one.

Don't really have time to do this with you today. So in short; you don't have an argument that speaks to the actual point.

If the data is manipulated, prove it. Don't just assume it is because it doesn't fit your narrative. I expect more of you.

As other people have pointed out in this thread; labor patterns have changed a great deal in recent decades(multiple job holders in a home, lack of full time work, more students, less traditional jobs with traditional working hours). This is a stat that addresses one point in Sander's arguement without discussing its actual point.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Sprawl wouldn't of killed it but it means we still would've gotten huge highways and overpasses and urban renewal.

I think ultimately driverless car will be a service you pay monthly for, or pay for an individual ride.

Sprawl probably wasn't the right word. I meant more development. It's pretty much impossible to build something like a rail system, above or underground, once a city is already developed. Much of the NYC subway was built by the 40s, when there were only 3-6 million people, and nowhere near as many cars or activity in general. Construction game was a lot dirtier. Can u imagine them shutting down whole avenues for months or years on end?

I agree driverless cars are the wave as the infrastructure for them is already in place, as opposed to a rail line. Big question mark is how it will be implemented. I think the private sector can do a decent job as long as there is competition. Govt will mismanage it and put the bill on taxpayers if history is any indicator.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Don't really have time to do this with you today. So in short; you don't have an argument that speaks to the actual point.

Tell me about the average work week in Norway, or Denmark, or Spain.

I'd love to hear it

Especially because RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY SECOND they are facing massive employment productivity issues.

Ya'll want the benefits of success without the efforts of success.

Bernie can keep pointing at the lowest brow arguments but he's not changing much with these simple minded points and his intellectual dishonesty and simplicity is a huge turn off to me

I know Hillary might be a little dirty but at least, when she's not doing bullsiht teenage dances, she talks to me like i'm not an idiot.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

As other people have pointed out in this thread; labor patterns have changed a great deal in recent decades(multiple job holders in a home, lack of full time work, more students, less traditional jobs with traditional working hours). This is a stat that addresses one point in Sander's arguement without discussing its actual point.

While all that is true, none of it validates his implication that Americans are having to work more to get by. If anything those point speak to a lack of availability of hours, not an excess of them.

The stat is a bit goofy. Technology has made things more efficient and is probably the real driver of "more leisure time". For example shyt like dishwashers and microwaves free up leisure time, but don't have jack shyt to do with employment or hours worked.

In any case, his claim needs validation.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I know Hillary might be a little dirty but at least, when she's not doing bullsiht teenage dances, she talks to me like i'm not an idiot.

This is exactly why Trump and Sanders are even in the race. People are fed up with being "talked down to". Sanders and Trump speak the language of normal people, which is now more important than having good ideas or being leadership material. It's frustrating

 

[ghostwriterx]

You do realize you don't have to buy a an 800$ smartphone if you're poor for basic communication.

You really still trying to argue cellphones are a luxury item? In 2016?
You really think poor people or anybody for that matter are buying $800 smartphones?
You never heard of cricket?

If someone can't work a 2 AM night shift because of transportation then find a job with morning, afternoon, and evening shifts. Most places of business in Urban areas where the poor reside aren't open 24 hours anyway due to crime so your point is moot

Hmm, something tells me you're not that familiar with the job market and what options are available to the working poor in much of this country.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Data on what? About what poor people spend money on?

Um... yeah. You made the claim that poor people waste their money on bandwidth fees, back it up.

All you have to do is use common sense to know minimum wage jobs aren't meant to be supporting families, people with more then minimum spending habits, people paying for school in addition to living expenses etc.

Common sense has nothing to do with it. The question is what jobs are available, what education is required and what mechanisms exist to facilitate advancement for those currently working minimum wage jobs into higher paying positions.

Median household income is around $50K. Well above minimum wage and more then enough to support a family of 3 or 4. Two people working minimum wage would only make about $30K a year."

You think you can support a family of 3 or 4 on $50K a year before taxes in major urban areas?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Um... yeah. You made the claim that poor people waste their money on bandwidth fees, back it up.





Common sense has nothing to do with it. The question is what jobs are available, what education is required and what mechanisms exist to facilitate advancement for those currently working minimum wage jobs into higher paying positions.







You think you can support a family of 3 or 4 on $50K a year before taxes in major urban areas?

Whose obligation is that?

1. Stop confusing FEDERAL MW which has to apply for everyone form NYC to Biloxi to Anchorage with...

2. LOCAL MW which often is much higher, especially in cities which can sustain MW hikes to cover the increased costs of living.

Bernie can only tackle FEDERAL MW...which will never be raised to exorbitant levels because some parts of the country just can NOT handle it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is exactly why Trump and Sanders are even in the race. People are fed up with being "talked down to". Sanders and Trump speak the language of normal people, which is now more important than having good ideas or being leadership material. It's frustrating

I've resolved to only caring about local politics now. It directly affects me, seems tangible, and bears influence more immediately.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

While all that is true, none of it validates his implication that Americans are having to work more to get by. If anything those point speak to a lack of availability of hours, not an excess of them.

The stat is a bit goofy. Technology has made things more efficient and is probably the real driver of "more leisure time". For example shyt like dishwashers and microwaves free up leisure time, but don't have jack shyt to do with employment or hours worked.

In any case, his claim needs validation.

I wonder where all the dishwashers and microwaves were created, improved and innovated

 

[FLORIDA BOI]

The minimum wage was not established as a way of ensuring that high school kids have pocket change. The federal minimum wage was proposed as a way to bring about a living wage for all. Stupid point on your end.

Working people deserve the wealth they create. Stupid point here as well.

Your post is pretty stupid on all levels

I agree it's not the high school minimum wtf

People talk about going to college like its the only way live

So what if a person doesn't go to college they don't deserve to be paid a good wage GTFOH

I know older cats that are wealthy all off factory and labor jobs all in there 60s now

Going by cats thinking now they should be under a bridge somewhere

 

[Tate]

Tell me about the average work week in Norway, or Denmark, or Spain.

I'd love to hear it

Especially because RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY SECOND they are facing massive employment productivity issues.

Ya'll want the benefits of success without the efforts of success.

Bernie can keep pointing at the lowest brow arguments but he's not changing much with these simple minded points and his intellectual dishonesty and simplicity is a huge turn off to me

I know Hillary might be a little dirty but at least, when she's not doing bullsiht teenage dances, she talks to me like i'm not an idiot.

Can you make your point in one sentence, without thirty rhetoricals thrown in? Your act here is tiring

While all that is true, none of it validates his implication that Americans are having to work more to get by. If anything those point speak to a lack of availability of hours, not an excess of them.

The stat is a bit goofy. Technology has made things more efficient and is probably the real driver of "more leisure time". For example shyt like dishwashers and microwaves free up leisure time, but don't have jack shyt to do with employment or hours worked.

In any case, his claim needs validation.

His point, or atleast the valid point here, is that to afford many things we need in life, primarily healthcare and housing, people are needing to work longer hours to stay out of extreme debt. This doesn't necessarily mean they are getting more hours.

Most portions of stump speeches and the like need qualification. They're by definition broad and often dealing as much in flare as minutiae.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Can you make your point in one sentence, without thirty rhetoricals thrown in? Your act here is tiring



His point, or atleast the valid point here, is that to afford many things we need in life, primarily healthcare and housing, people are needing to work longer hours to stay out of extreme debt. This doesn't necessarily mean they are getting more hours.

Most portions of stump speeches and the like need qualification. They're by definition broad and often dealing as much in flare as minutiae.

What are needs in life?

Lets be honest...unquestionably there are more "needs" than there were 40 years ago by virtue of an expanded market of items.

People need TVs, what about smartphones? Internet? How much data? Healthcare? How many checkups? What screenings? What degree of care?

It never ends.

The problem is that you're talking about working longer hours, and americans work hard, but the COUNTRY does a lot more than most other places.

Ignoring macroeconomic trends isn't going to just go by unnoticed.

 

[Tate]

Can you make your point in one sentence, without thirty rhetoricals thrown in? Your act here is tiring.

What are needs in life?

Lets be honest...unquestionably there are more "needs" than there were 40 years ago by virtue of an expanded market of items.

People need TVs, what about smartphones? Internet? How much data? Healthcare? How many checkups? What screenings? What degree of care?

It never ends.

The problem is that you're talking about working longer hours, and americans work hard, but the COUNTRY does a lot more than most other places.

Ignoring macroeconomic trends isn't going to just go by unnoticed.

Yo you really make me wanna block you with this shyt. Nobody got time for you to make every single thread about everything when you yourself barely got a grasp on what your talking about.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yo you really make me wanna block you with this shyt. Nobody got time for you to make every single thread about everything when you yourself barely got a grasp on what your talking about.

Go ahead cause all your arguments in here are met with derision anyways.

You really have no defense of what sanders proposes because Sanders doesn't have a plan. Then when questioned its always "well these are stump speeches"

Which is it?