Serious question: Who exactly has said something negative about Lyor Cohen except Dame Dash?

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Watching that "Follow the Leader" episode made me really think.
He seemed to be giving Thugga some sound advice on how to become a bigger and better artist.
Why does the Coli hate him?:jbhmm:
Not saying he's a good guy, I'm just saying if he's done some snake shyt to artist, please educate me.

:ufdup: Dariana ....don't let that MSNBC bio of LYOR COHEN mislead you into thinking we (fans, artists) should have some empathy for him

they (msnbc, follow the leader) did everything to try to HUMANIZE a man who is the epitome of what happens when COMMERCE has no consideration for ART :manny:

Lyor came into the rap world, via the BANKING INDUSTRY...via two individuals ...super agent Norby Walters and Mafioso artist manager Michael Franceze who didn't give two shyts about "the culture of hip hop" or the personalities involved

and people wonder to this day , how DEF JAM inc. got finessed out of Russell Simmons "hands".

Dude is the personfication of "EXPLOITATION"....


I'm not going to deny Lyor's impact on the genre..he is a vet and has been involved in this "so-called" Culture before many of the posters on this board where even born, and has had a hand in virtually every "wave" of hip hop from East Coast Golden Era Rap, to West Coast Gangsta Rap ..Dirty South as well as today's "hipster phenomenon"....

what i do have a problem with is in virtually every scenario as Daz Dilllinger pointed out in that IG post...

he tries to STIFLE the creative freedom of the artist......he DOESN'T STAY IN HIS LANE which is to basically "cut the check" and "promote the artist"

all that trying to tell an artist how to create the "magic" in the studio that Lyor has nothing to do with , is above and beyond..

i gotta agree with Thugga and his manager on this one...it's the "mystique" and unpredictablity about Thugga that has helped build his career..

you seen that with Rakim, Sade, Prince and others i was DRAWN TO as a fan

..now im not trying to say he is just like those artists :whoa:

im simply saying it helps build a CULT FOLLOWING when your not as accessible to your fans, it draws them in and helps create a LOYAL fan base that doesn't care about your record being played on the radio all the time......

and for the record LYOR HASN'T DISCOVERED ANYTHING...IM SICK OF THIS MISINFORMATION AS PRESENTED IN THAT BIO that LYOR DISCOVERS TALENT

THAT'S BULLSHYT :camby:

all the acts going back to the BEASTIE BOYS back in the 80's were already STARS before LYOR came in the mix....

lyor just wants to EXPLOIT THE MOMENT....and has no concern for building longevity...that's how he did plenty of artists in the past such as the Jarule, DMX...and others......with the mass marketing and media presence.

and what benifit is it to THUGGA??? :why:

in this clip of that FOLLOW THE LEADER episode, Lyor walks THUGGA into the YOUTUBE OFFICES to show him the numbers his views has generated streaming on YOUTUBE for videos THUGGA DIRECTED!!! :francis:

0:35 mark


510,751,466 views!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :damn:

now ask yourself HOW MUCH OF THAT "STREAMING REVENUE" is YOUNG THUGGA gonna see since the content thug has provided is MONETIZED$$???



i rest my case :stopitslime:
 
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:ufdup: Dariana ....don't let that MSNBC bio of LYOR COHEN mislead you into thinking we (fans, artists) should have some empathy for him

they (msnbc, follow the leader) did everything to try to HUMANIZE a man who is the epitome of what happens when COMMERCE has no consideration for ART :manny:

Lyor came into the rap world, via the BANKING INDUSTRY...via two individuals ...super agent Norby Walters and Mafioso artist manager Michael Franceze who didn't give two shyts about "the culture of hip hop" or the personalities involved

and people wonder to this day , how DEF JAM inc. got finessed out of Russell Simmons "hands".

Dude is the personfication of "EXPLOITATION"....


I'm not going to deny Lyor's impact on the genre..he is a vet and has been involved in this "so-called" Culture before many of the posters on this board where even born, and has had a hand in virtually every "wave" of hip hop from East Coast Golden Era Rap, to West Coast Gangsta Rap ..Dirty South as well as today's "hipster phenomenon"....

what i do have a problem with is in virtually every scenario as Daz Dilllinger pointed out in that IG post...

he tries to STIFLE the creative freedom of the artist......he DOESN'T STAY IN HIS LANE which is to basically "cut the check" and "promote the artist"

all that trying to tell an artist how to create the "magic" in the studio that Lyor has nothing to do with , is above and beyond..

i gotta agree with Thugga and his manager on this one...it's the "mystique" and unpredictablity about Thugga that has helped build his career..

you seen that with Rakim, Sade, Prince and others i was DRAWN TO as a fan

..now im not trying to say he is just like those artists :whoa:

im simply saying it helps build a CULT FOLLOWING when your not as accessible to your fans, it draws them in

lyor just wants to EXPLOIT THE MOMENT....and has no concern for building longevity...that's how he did plenty of artists in the past such as the Jarule, DMX...and others......with the mass marketing and media presence.

and what benifit is it to THUGGA??? :why:

in this clip of that FOLLOW THE LEADER episode, Lyor walks THUGGA into the YOUTUBE OFFICES to show him the numbers his views has generated streaming on YOUTUBE for videos THUGGA DIRECTED!!! :francis:

510,751,466 views!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :damn:

now ask yourself HOW MUCH OF THAT "STREAMING REVENUE" is YOUNG THUGGA gonna see since the content thug has provided is MONETIZED$$???



i rest my case :stopitslime:
The funny thing during that little segment was you see Lyor whisper into Thugga's ear "now this is where your going to make a majority of your money"
But they later on say they only make about half a penny per stream/view. That's not even including whatever cut the record label takes :dead:
 

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No one has said anything negative about him, that really had business with him, except Dame. I think his greatest characteristic was that he always told his artists the truth. Let The Coli tell it, he was a bank and only robbed them of money without even knowing what his artists put out or knowing them by name.
 

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What Dame did went over most fans heads, let me explain. You guys go on about "Jews" that run the game, but Dame just put the names to them so you could stop making that vague blanket statement and know who these people are. Lyor is one of them. Do a search for "the Jews" in this Hip Hop section and a good amount of the results may be directed to Lyor even if his name isn't directly mentioned. When someone says these Jews came up with the 360 deal, they are talking about Lyor. etc. So alot of people have had something negative to say about him but very few have had the balls to say his name or the knowledge to know what he is responsible for in the industry.

Hope that helps.
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Here is Rebecca Scott talking about Lyor @5:00 mark on:
 

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No one has said anything negative about him, that really had business with him, except Dame. I think his greatest characteristic was that he always told his artists the truth. Let The Coli tell it, he was a bank and only robbed them of money without even knowing what his artists put out or knowing them by name.

:stopitslime: How long have you been listening to rap?

The list of artists who have had negative experiences with Lyor would cover 2 threadpages....
 
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No one has said anything negative about him, that really had business with him, except Dame. I think his greatest characteristic was that he always told his artists the truth. Let The Coli tell it, he was a bank and only robbed them of money without even knowing what his artists put out or knowing them by name.

That is so NOT TRUE...


THIS MAN BEEN CALLED OUT LYOR COHEN FOR HIS FUKKERY FROM THE JUMP



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That's like hearing a Pimp telling one of his hoes the better way to get more Johns. It isn't good advice if you understand what it is going on. Cohen isn't telling him to give him fatherly life advice. He's telling him so he makes him more money. He wants him to play the game and bring him home more money.

Lyor Cohen is good at what he does as an executive in the shady music business. That alone should tell you he does questionable, under handed shyt.
 

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Major record label artist essentially are forced to sign them or don't get promoted
that means the original contract they signed (which they weren't forced into either) was not good. should have gotten better legal representation or gone indy.

don't get me wrong, fukk these labels and corporations. but at the end of the day, i feel more responsibility should be put on people for choosing what deals they decide to sign, who they get in bed with business wise and most importantly, beyond the words that are written in the contract, what leverage and power do they have to enforce these clauses. because if you have no power or tools to enforce, if you don't have money to sue or to have lawyers represent you if they don't respect their end, then you might as well save the ink/paper, just shake hands on it and hope.



it's a cold game out there, you would think self-proclaimed "hustlers" would know that by now...:francis:
 
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