Seriously why is American music trash right now.

[dora_da_destroyer]

The part that changed was the ability to do the formulas. Back in the day it was more of a guessing game, and music execs often backed people they personally liked. That added variety. Now the guessing game is gone because they have the script down to a science.

it's actually the opposite, there is no formula anymore thanks to social media and the internet. there was a good billboard article on the topic of why there are tons of hits and next to zero stars - things take off organically, labels try to replicate that formula/hit for the next single or next artist and it fails. where formulas work, it's the artist driving it. the label driven formula died after the EDM run/~2015

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I don’t know who the mods our for the booth can somebody quote me and tag them under my post

But it should be a policy for anybody who makes a Thread about music today being terrible they should list every artist, and album they listened too recently cause y’all just be saying shyt

this poll let's you know everything https://www.thecoli.com/threads/what-subgenre-of-rap-do-you-listen-to-the-most.967094/, a bunch of stuck in the past dudes who literally are missing out on music they'd enjoy simply because someone born after 1996 is the one making it

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Spot on!

Compare music several decades ago to modern music, the difference is we live in the fast food era. The demand has become higher because people’s attention span has minimized so as the song’s length.

Before the Internet, there was a lot of anticipation towards a new album. People were hyped because we had to be patient. Wait months or even years to get a ear of the artist’s new work.

the difference is the number of options we have...

as a teen, i had brandy, monica, and aalyiah - that's what the labels backed and who was on the video channels. a teen now can go on youtube, spotify/apple, or soundcloud and find 1000 aaliyah's, monicas and brandys...yes, attention is fragmented but not because of demand, it's because of the options consumers have

 

[Renegade47]

Breh, there is nothing you could post to justify one piece music being inferior to another.

I didn't move goal posts, play a game of semantics, or even circle jerk you. You presented this whole McDonald's vs your mama's cooking to justify your point, did you not?

so you saying someone can say the production of this song ( a beat i've loved since i was in highschool )


is better than this song? ( im a dr dre hater btw )



thats where your stance has a flaw. the subjective aspect has to make sense. there is a threshold where it gets to a point where standing with subjectivity is pure bullshyt for people to be in discussions they shouldnt be in.

i love that rich kids song and the beat. but that really is a terrible beat. if you wanna live in ignorant bliss thats cool but to say you cant quantify good music to bad music is pure bullshyt.

 

[T'Challa Trillmonger]

Afrobeats artists don't make vulgar music, they make music that your whole family can listen to

"banana fall on you" is a classic family tune

 

[BK The Great]

ADOS are not creating firing musical genre anymore. American music is ADOS music.


Blame the Telecommunication Act and the mergers that created these giga mega media corporations.

Blame capitalism.



It's a problem in itself. At some point, you had a certain equilibrium. Genius music reached the mainstream.

I really don’t listen to much newer popular music unless it catches my ear. Most of the time I’m listening to older stuff from the 90’s up to the 2000’s. I’m not complaining really cause I know what I want to find if someone drops. It’s easy now more than ever to find something to listen to.

 

[JustCKing]

so you saying someone can say the production of this song ( a beat i've loved since i was in highschool )


is better than this song? ( im a dr dre hater btw )



thats where your stance has a flaw. the subjective aspect has to make sense. there is a threshold where it gets to a point where standing with subjectivity is pure bullshyt for people to be in discussions they shouldnt be in.

i love that rich kids song and the beat. but that really is a terrible beat. if you wanna live in ignorant bliss thats cool but to say you cant quantify good music to bad music is pure bullshyt.

I don't see the logic in your argument. Why? You're arguing a song that you actually like has a wack beat and purposely, yet randomly comparing it to a song from an artist you hate. Either way, who can sit there and tell you your ears are wrong. That is my point.

 

[Renegade47]

I don't see the logic in your argument. Why? You're arguing a song that you actually like has a wack beat and purposely, yet randomly comparing it to a song from an artist you hate. Either way, who can sit there and tell you your ears are wrong. That is my point.

people who know what they are talking about can tell you you have bad taste or a song is bad in comparison to another.

my point is you can like lower quality things and be ok with it but you need to understand it might not be good. most people have a delusion about that because they think its an indictment on themselves if they have bad taste in something.

i make music myself and i would be dumb as hell to sit here and hide behind subjectivity and say my first beat tape compares to the beats on all eyez on me. doesnt make sense

 

[JustCKing]

people who know what they are talking about can tell you you have bad taste or a song is bad in comparison to another.

my point is you can like lower quality things and be ok with it but you need to understand it might not be good. most people have a delusion about that because they think its an indictment on themselves if they have bad taste in something.

i make music myself and i would be dumb as hell to sit here and hide behind subjectivity and say my first beat tape compares to the beats on all eyez on me. doesnt make sense

No one can legitimately tell you you have bad taste in music. Because someone could say the same thing about theirs and so on and so forth. This is literally the reason why we have forums. If there really was a way to determine good and bad music, there wouldn't be in depth discussions in regard to music.

 

[Renegade47]

No one can legitimately tell you you have bad taste in music. Because someone could say the same thing about theirs and so on and so forth. This is literally the reason why we have forums. If there really was a way to determine good and bad music, there wouldn't be in depth discussions in regard to music.

yes they can i legit gave you an example of a inferior song composition being compared to an outstanding one. if i wholeheartedly believe that rich kids song is better than lil ghetto boy thats just bad taste. which alot of people have today due to ignorance being shielded by "subjectivity"

 

[JustCKing]

yes they can i legit gave you an example of a inferior song composition being compared to an outstanding one. if i wholeheartedly believe that rich kids song is better than lil ghetto boy thats just bad taste. which alot of people have today due to ignorance being shielded by "subjectivity"

Inferior to you.

To prove my point, look at critics. There are albums that are critically panned across the board that are viewed as classic albums. There's albums that are universally praised that aren't popular. Whose wrong and whose right? If there was agreement on what music is bad and what's good, why is it rare that an album is both popular and receives universal critical acclaim?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

people who know what they are talking about can tell you you have bad taste or a song is bad in comparison to another.

my point is you can like lower quality things and be ok with it but you need to understand it might not be good. most people have a delusion about that because they think its an indictment on themselves if they have bad taste in something.

i make music myself and i would be dumb as hell to sit here and hide behind subjectivity and say my first beat tape compares to the beats on all eyez on me. doesnt make sense

who are these people?


yes, you can absolutely judge technical elements of music mixing and mastering, or pitch, tone and octaves of a voice, but everything else is subjective. no one, no matter credentials, can say you're wrong for liking anita baker more than mariah because she doesn't have mariah's range. just like no one can say a dre beat (the music, not technical aspects - composition as you said) is better than a metro boomin beat if metro's style is what they prefer.

 

[CrimsonTider]

it's actually the opposite, there is no formula anymore thanks to social media and the internet. there was a good billboard article on the topic of why there are tons of hits and next to zero stars - things take off organically, labels try to replicate that formula/hit for the next single or next artist and it fails. where formulas work, it's the artist driving it. the label driven formula died after the EDM run/~2015

labels are trying with NJ house music right now but it isn’t working

 

[R=G]

Where are these songs now..

 

[Renegade47]

who are these people?


yes, you can absolutely judge technical elements of music mixing and mastering, or pitch, tone and octaves of a voice, but everything else is subjective. no one, no matter credentials, can say you're wrong for liking anita baker more than mariah because she doesn't have mariah's range. just like no one can say a dre beat (the music, not technical aspects - composition as you said) is better than a metro boomin beat if metro's style is what they prefer.

see thats where i said theres a threshold to subjectivity. they both are great artist. dre and boomin are both great composers of music.

the example i gave of the rich kids song vs dre song is an example of there being a flaw in the subjectivity stance. the rich kids song does not compare. if you say that song is better you're wrong. flat out. bad taste.

like saying westside gunn cover art for "who made the sunshine" compares to this

it doesnt.