Shaq doubles down on winning without Kobe:” I coulda won 3 in a row with Vince “.

[Everythingg]

Oh yes, the famous tough competition in the West. Which great teams did they face again?

The moment Duncan had some perimeter help in 2003 with a rookie Parker, he was able to get past the Lakers.

The reality is Kobe was a second option on a superteam playing in a league that had no other superteams.

Those three rings he won playing second fiddle to Shaq are fugazi and the media knows it.

Hate babble. The West was way more competitive than the teams they faced in the finals

So on the way to the championship they're side by side but because Shaq dominates the finals that means Kobe was carried to his rings?

 

[Everythingg]

Why’d you start at 02 instead of 2000?

Accident. Should be 2000-2002

 

[Mister Terrific]

Vince nor McGrady were nowhere near the passer Kobe was.

 

[Everythingg]

The 80s was an era of superteams.

Who you beat is just as important as winning. Shaq and Kobe beat teams that would have lost in the first round in the 80s.

So Kobe's doesn't count but Kareem can be a 3rd option and have his count?

 

[papa pimp]

A 3 peat has only been done 2 x in the modern era (MJ's bulls and Shaq/Kobe). The fact this is even being discussed is ridiculous and a result of legbt stans with an agenda.

Second, Shaq did nothing as top dog with elite cast prior to the 3peat or after. Am I suppose to believe his peak was only during the Lakers title window that coincided with Kobe? Dude should have 6+ rings the way some talk about him.

 

[IIVI]

I’d argue given how much attention he got as the main goto he should’ve had way more with Yao and being in his prime. If he has the ball that much and players like Yao to go to.

 

[Po pimp]

Kobe with JKidd don't get swept by Wade/Shaq
Kobe on 2002 Orlando Magic gets past Baron Davis instead of guaranteeing a win before then saying Baron Davis had the better teammates
Kobe on 03 Magic doesn't play 67 games and go 21-61 like 24 year old TMac

nikka KOBE WON 2 WITHOUT SHAQ
AND MADE 3 STRAIGHT FINALS

WE DONT HAVE TO DO
HYPOTHETICALS.

NETS AND ORLANDO
MADE THE FINALS BEFORE VINCE
AND DID NOTHING WITH HIM.

TMAC DID NOTHING WITH YAO
AND THEY GOT OUT THE 1ST RD
THE YEAR HE WAS OUT

COMPARING THESE MENTAL MIDGETS
TO KOBE WAS COOL IN 02.
EVEN I DID IT
BUT TO DO IT NOW IN 2025
IS SHAMELESS AND LAUGHABLE


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I just asked a simple question. I am in no way saying TMac and Vince were Kobe’s equals. I’m just saying let’s not act as if they ever played on some championship rosters either. Kobe went to three straight Finals, but that wasn’t some bum squad. When Kobe did have a weaker roster similar to TMac, they lost in the first round (I’m not even counting the season they missed the playoffs when Kobe was hurt a lot that year). What teams have prime TMac and Vince played for that had the overall talent as those Lakers teams that went to the Finals?

 

[CHICAGO]

A 3 peat has only been done 2 x in the modern era (MJ's bulls and Shaq/Kobe).

LETS PUT MORE EMPHASIS
ON THIS FACT.

ITS BEEN DONE BY 2 TEAMS
SINCE THE CIVIL RIGHTS ERA
WITH ALL OF THE SUPER TEAMS
IN NBA HISTORY...

YET SHAQ ALL OF A SUDDEN
WOULD HAVE DONE IT
WITH ANY CAREER UNDERACHIEVER


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[Mister Terrific]

Oh yes, the famous tough competition in the West. Which great teams did they face again?

The moment Duncan had some perimeter help in 2003 with a rookie Parker, he was able to get past the Lakers.

The reality is Kobe was a second option on a superteam playing in a league that had no other superteams.

Those three rings he won playing second fiddle to Shaq are fugazi and the media knows it.

The Spurs lost Derek Anderson and lost every game by 20 points

The Sixers won game one, were in it to win it in games 2 and 3 and lost by an average of 6.8 points, but the Spurs are better



The 2000 Pacers were nobodies even though the Lakers were down 5 points heading into the 4th in game 6


What were the stats of that game 6 you may ask? Well I’ll tell you



Shaq

19/32 41 points


Kobe 8/27, 26 points


4th quarter scoring

Shaq 6/6

Kobe 1/7


These Mambas

 

[CHICAGO]

I just asked a simple question. I am in no way saying TMac and Vince were Kobe’s equals. I’m just saying let’s not act as if they ever played on some championship rosters either. Kobe went to three straight Finals, but that wasn’t some bum squad. When Kobe did have a weaker roster similar to TMac, they lost in the first round (I’m not even counting the season they missed the playoffs when Kobe was hurt a lot that year). What teams have prime TMac and Vince played for that had the overall talent as those Lakers teams that went to the Finals?

nikka YOU GIVE KOBE YAO MING
OR PUT HIM ON THOSE NETS/MAGIC
FINALS TEAMS AND THEY WINNING
THE CHIP.

MAC/VINCE DIDNT
EVEN MAKE THE FINALS
WITH THOSE TEAMS.

THERES NO COMPARISON


​

 

[Mister Terrific]

I’d argue given how much attention he got as the main goto he should’ve had way more with Yao and his prime.

Kobe played with fukking Shaq, Robert Horry, D Fish and Rick Fox. Literally a guaranteed bucket and 3 of the best spot up shooters of the 2000’s.

 

[get these nets]

Kobe's drive to become better is what separated him from Tmac and Vince.

That drive and mental toughness is what took him from airballing shots in playoffs against Utah to making those KEY shots in the 2000 Finals in game 4 after Shaq had fouled out.

And also to making key shots , and free throws during that 3peat run, throughout the game + when Shaq wasnt a reliable option late in games because of bad FT %

And to his Finals runs post-Shaq.

 

[Bittersteel]

So Kobe's doesn't count but Kareem can be a 3rd option and have his count?

A players legacy is defined by championships. However for this to be logical, championships must be weighted correctly.

The only type of rings that truly define a players legacy are those that were won as the number one option.

Kareem may have won 6 but he wasn't the first option for them all, so his 6 doesn't weigh the same as Jordan's 6.

Guys like Magic, Kobe and Kareem who have a mix of first option and second option rings are not going to be automatically considered better than players like LeBron, Hakeem and Bird who won less rings but were the number one options for all of them.

When you analyse the top ten player list only Jordan and Russell stand head and shoulders above everyone else when it comes to ring count.

The rest are in the range of 2-4 rings in which they were the best players on the team.

Unfortunately for Bryant, he is in the lower end of the group with 2 rings as the best player. So in the minds of some they rank him outside the top ten.

 

[10bandz]

nikka YOU GIVE KOBE YAO MING
OR PUT HIM ON THOSE NETS/MAGIC
FINALS TEAMS AND THEY WINNING
THE CHIP.

MAC/VINCE DIDNT
EVEN MAKE THE FINALS
WITH THOSE TEAMS.

THERES NO COMPARISON


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Facts. This shyt going beyond “Stan wars”. If nikkas think Bron/TD/Etc is better than Kobe cool but trying to take away this nikka Kobe whole career is some lame shyt.

Same nikkas who refuse to give credit to early Kobe, Kyrie, AD, Chris Bosh are out here pumping up Pau, Tmac and Vince

 

[IIVI]

Kobe played with fukking Shaq, Robert Horry, D Fish and Rick Fox. Literally a guaranteed bucket and 3 of the best spot up shooters of the 2000’s.

Kobe wasn’t the main ball handler nor goto.

McGrady had the ball in his hands much more. Similar assist numbers to a younger Kobe but Kobe put up consistent assist numbers on a worse team while scoring more points later in his career.

Kobe was just a higher BBIQ player than McGrady overall. That’s why he put up similar numbers with worse athleticism and shorter. That’s why he got two championships mainly as a slower combo guard.

Heliocentric Kobe > Heliocentric McGrady.

People really forget how many different styles and schemes Kobe played. There’s no guarantee a toned down McGrady in that offense gets a three peat.