Shaq doubles down on winning without Kobe:” I coulda won 3 in a row with Vince “.

[murksiderock]

Dirk is better than Pau so it wouldn’t be a stretch to say Kobe could get 3 with him. It’s all hypothetical anyway

I guess I take the hypothetical as, if someone were in place of Shaq at that time, meaning 2000, 2001, 2002.

Kobe wasn't ready to lead a team to a championship in the early 00s, we know this because after Shaq left it took 4 years to get back to The Finals, 5 years to win a title. So if Kobe wasn't ready to lead a team to a title at that time, you can't replace the best player in The League with an inferior player and get the same results.

Dirk was also unready to lead a team to a championship in the early 00s. We know this to be true, because he didn't.

I think a pairing of early 00s Dirk + early 00s Kobe wins a championship, but 3? Those guys, at that stage of their careers, aren't winning 3 titles.

For the record, I believe that if you gave Shaq Vince or T-Mac instead of Kobe, those pairs also find a way to a title.

In no circumstance do I believe they win 3. Shaq and Kobe were the perfect duo for each other; replacing them with inferior players isn't gonna replicate their success----->only caveat being, replace Shaq with Duncan, a Duncan + Kobe duo is winning 3 rings, at least.

But as you said, its all hypothetical, so if you take the hypo to mean, Kobe and Dirk at any stage of their careers, thats fine.

So he almost won 3 straight with Pau but Dirk is a stretch?

 

[fifth column]

I guess I take the hypothetical as, if someone were in place of Shaq at that time, meaning 2000, 2001, 2002.

Kobe wasn't ready to lead a team to a championship in the early 00s, we know this because after Shaq left it took 4 years to get back to The Finals, 5 years to win a title. So if Kobe wasn't ready to lead a team to a title at that time, you can't replace the best player in The League with an inferior player and get the same results.

Dirk was also unready to lead a team to a championship in the early 00s. We know this to be true, because he didn't.

I think a pairing of early 00s Dirk + early 00s Kobe wins a championship, but 3? Those guys, at that stage of their careers, aren't winning 3 titles.

For the record, I believe that if you gave Shaq Vince or T-Mac instead of Kobe, those pairs also find a way to a title.

In no circumstance do I believe they win 3. Shaq and Kobe were the perfect duo for each other; replacing them with inferior players isn't gonna replicate their success----->only caveat being, replace Shaq with Duncan, a Duncan + Kobe duo is winning 3 rings, at least.

But as you said, it’s all hypothetical, so if you take the hypo to mean, Kobe and Dirk at any stage of their careers, thats fine.

I agree with you on Dirk if the timeline is early 2000s

 

[Sk3ptical]

2001 vs Spurs
Kobe 33 pts 7 rebs 7 asts
Shaq 27 pts 13 rebs 2 asts

2002 vs Spurs
Kobe 26 pts 5 rebs/asts
Shaq 22 pts 14 rebs 4 blks

2003 vs Spurs
Kobe 32 pts 5 rebs 4 asts
Shaq 25 pts 14 rebs 3 blks

2004 vs Spirs
Kobe 26 pts 6 rebs/asts
Shaq 22 pts 14 rebs 4 blks

Shaq 3 finals mvp on the bounce

 

[Everythingg]

I guess I take the hypothetical as, if someone were in place of Shaq at that time, meaning 2000, 2001, 2002.

Kobe wasn't ready to lead a team to a championship in the early 00s, we know this because after Shaq left it took 4 years to get back to The Finals, 5 years to win a title. So if Kobe wasn't ready to lead a team to a title at that time, you can't replace the best player in The League with an inferior player and get the same results.

Dirk was also unready to lead a team to a championship in the early 00s. We know this to be true, because he didn't.

I think a pairing of early 00s Dirk + early 00s Kobe wins a championship, but 3? Those guys, at that stage of their careers, aren't winning 3 titles.

For the record, I believe that if you gave Shaq Vince or T-Mac instead of Kobe, those pairs also find a way to a title.

In no circumstance do I believe they win 3. Shaq and Kobe were the perfect duo for each other; replacing them with inferior players isn't gonna replicate their success----->only caveat being, replace Shaq with Duncan, a Duncan + Kobe duo is winning 3 rings, at least.

But as you said, its all hypothetical, so if you take the hypo to mean, Kobe and Dirk at any stage of their careers, thats fine.

I can get with that but couldnt the same be said about VC and TMac? As in they weren't ready at that time to do what Kobe was doing 2000-2002?

Shaq 3 finals mvp on the bounce

Im just showing what Tim Duncan saw with his own eyes. Kobe was giving them work, while Shaq was playing "second fiddle"...

 

[Left.A1]

They don’t get by the Blazers or Kings with Vince.

They easily get past both

 

[Foxmulder]

They easily get past both

yup because Vince is known winner who has proven throughout his career to come up big when it counts.

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

I’m not sure one thing Kobe had over TMac was better conditioning. TMac was injured in key moments. Where as Kobe excelled.

 

[thatrapsfan]

Y’all keep repeating this bullshyt

1. The refs won that game for the Lakers.




In the 4th quarter

2. Shaq was 3/3 3/4 ft and had a game score of 10.3

Kobe was 3/7 3/6 free throws and had a game score of 6


The unmitigated gall to say Shaq didn’t show up in a series where he averaged 27 points, 12 rebounds, on 55%efg



Shaq shot 99 mutherfukking freethrows, you think the Blazers were worried about fukking Kobe.

Between this and the Kings series, it was crazy how much the NBA backed this dynasty

 

[Left.A1]

yup because Vince is known winner who has proven throughout his career to come up big when it counts.

What did Kobe win before he was paired with Shaq maybe I missed it

 

[Canon]

What did Kobe win before he was paired with Shaq maybe I missed it

you gotta be trolling he was paired with Shaq from day 1

 

[VBM]

2001 vs Spurs
Kobe 33 pts 7 rebs 7 asts
Shaq 27 pts 13 rebs 2 asts

2002 vs Spurs
Kobe 26 pts 5 rebs/asts
Shaq 22 pts 14 rebs 4 blks

2003 vs Spurs
Kobe 32 pts 5 rebs 4 asts
Shaq 25 pts 14 rebs 3 blks

2004 vs Spirs
Kobe 26 pts 6 rebs/asts
Shaq 22 pts 14 rebs 4 blks

This stat argument supports DunGawd more than anything. Putting the clamps on Shaq

 

[Left.A1]

you gotta be trolling he was paired with Shaq from day 1

Oh…. So you're saying you can win a championship with Shaq before “proving you can win elsewhere” Thanks for the confirmation

 

[Left.A1]

This stat argument supports DunGawd more than anything. Putting the clamps on Shaq

Also supports the argument that Antonio Daniels being Kobe’s biggest challenge during this period made his life pretty easy

 

[Foxmulder]

you gotta be trolling he was paired with Shaq from day 1

He has to be.

 

[Foxmulder]

What did Kobe win before he was paired with Shaq maybe I missed it

What did Shaq win without Kobe. The Magic choked every year with Shaq.