Sheek Louch on the Music Industry: They Put an Age Limit on Rap + Ghostwriting discussion
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Rayzah
I'm Everywhere you ain't never there
Naw man older artists cant win with the hip hop fanbase, half of yall want that old shyt and the other half want them to grow up
I agree with you but, the thing about rock stars is they tend to sing about life and not being a thug, so that shyt is relatable to all ages.. I listened to the new R Kelly album and I must say I was turned off by the back to back to back to back songs about fukking, I mean damn don't you have anything else to talk about? so I can see it both ways,
And when Jay-Z wraps about his new found appreciation of art or whatever older grown up people do for fun nikkas come in here and hate and say he is Euro-jay now or he is an old white man, why cause he likes art and grown up shyt? These hypocritical ass nikkas man,
All these older mature artists that were named that talk about substance, Like Budden, Nas or whoever, even Jeezy is a little more introspective now, they all get hated on and hardly ever talked about, their record sales aren't great and nikkas keep saying how old and washed up they are and how they need to give it up...I think artists need to find a way to blend their subject matter to not only target a certain age group, try to not alienate themselves too one demographic or another. Ex. 50 new album should have 2-3 street songs and the rest should be about him talking shyt and talking about his life since grodt....
Groot
Guarding the Galaxy
Naw man older artists cant win with the hip hop fanbase, half of yall want that old shyt and the other half want them to grow up
I agree with you but, the thing about rock stars is they tend to sing about life and not being a thug, so that shyt is relatable to all ages.. I listened to the new R Kelly album and I must say I was turned off by the back to back to back to back songs about fukking, I mean damn don't you have anything else to talk about? so I can see it both ways,
And when Jay-Z wraps about his new found appreciation of art or whatever older grown up people do for fun nikkas come in here and hate and say he is Euro-jay now or he is an old white man, why cause he likes art and grown up shyt? These hypocritical ass nikkas man,
I think artists need to find a way to blend their subject matter to not only target a certain age group, try to not alienate themselves too one demographic or another. Ex. 50 new album should have 2-3 street songs and the rest should be about him talking shyt and talking about his life since grodt....
R.Kelly tried to go the mature route with Write Me Back and Love Letter and the sh*t flopped.. Nikkas kept on wanting that 12 Play raunchy type shyt. The fans put the artists in these fukked up creative spaces
Rayzah
I'm Everywhere you ain't never there
see I never even listened to those albums, but that was my point, the artist be damned if they do and damned if they don't... The real problem is the fans refusal to like anything other than one specific sound or subject matter.. That's what I was saying about Jay-z he is clowned mercilessly cause he aint rapping about selling drugs and when he mentions it in a bar he gets clowned cause they don't believe him.. And you know the hp hop unwritten rule that says no album can be better than your first cause those are usually the ones where they are at their most ignorant and angry, let a nikka get rich and older and try to educate nikkas say they bragging and have sold out.... In a way these fans deserve young thug.s and Fetty Waps of the world
Piff Perkins
Veteran
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nikkas who scribe hood poetry and epic audio cinema can keep going till their casket
but 99% of these old aarp ass nikkas wanna stick to the basic gangsta rap club hit formula suited to those who don't know better
but really its just exposing the fact most these artist never were and never will be mentally worth noting
for most its just a snap shot of youth and its fire captured in sound but they refuse to admit when its over
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but 99% of these old aarp ass nikkas wanna stick to the basic gangsta rap club hit formula suited to those who don't know better
but really its just exposing the fact most these artist never were and never will be mentally worth noting
for most its just a snap shot of youth and its fire captured in sound but they refuse to admit when its over
sad
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nikkas could stretch their paper way farther if they'd just fade into the background and give their records to youth who could perform it more convincingly
but the spotlight is addictive i get it
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but the spotlight is addictive i get it
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Naw man older artists cant win with the hip hop fanbase, half of yall want that old shyt and the other half want them to grow up
I agree with you but, the thing about rock stars is they tend to sing about life and not being a thug, so that shyt is relatable to all ages.. I listened to the new R Kelly album and I must say I was turned off by the back to back to back to back songs about fukking, I mean damn don't you have anything else to talk about? so I can see it both ways,
And when Jay-Z wraps about his new found appreciation of art or whatever older grown up people do for fun nikkas come in here and hate and say he is Euro-jay now or he is an old white man, why cause he likes art and grown up shyt? These hypocritical ass nikkas man,
I think artists need to find a way to blend their subject matter to not only target a certain age group, try to not alienate themselves too one demographic or another. Ex. 50 new album should have 2-3 street songs and the rest should be about him talking shyt and talking about his life since grodt....
Honestly that's just people hating on Jay, there's people out there that say The Blueprint and The Black Album are overrated just because they don't like him personally. But at the end of the day Jay is one of the few rappers that has been able to transcend age, and that's because he has matured. If he was still rapping like Volume 2 Jay his career would have been over a decade ago.
KravenMorehead™
Barrel Brothers.®
it shouldn't be when you think about it, cause we watched grown ups on kid shows like sesame street and fraggle rock n whatnot. I think it's moreso an issue of artists not making music on timeless subjects, and that coming back to bite them in the ass as their career gets older.
$cam-U-Well_Jack$on
Superstar
He's absolutely right. And it's da only genre that does it.
Insensitive
Superstar
I disagree with this whole "Hip Hop is a young man's game" thing, I feel Hip Hop has been framed that way
for one reason and it's simply because that way makes money.
In other (NOT ALL) forms of music it's natural and expected for artists to mature and graduate to being elder statesmen
and stay around however in "Pop" music you're expected to age out and make disposable replaceable music.
If they had it their way, they'd manufacture a new rapper every couple of years for the freshman classes in middle
and high school's across the nation that'll appeal directly to their teenage angst and/or insecurities.
And honestly I'd say a lot of the people making the best music in Hip Hop today aren't pandering to teenagers
and they're writing from a perspective of someone who has lived...somewhat.
While I do agree I also feel you're kinda ignoring that that's how Hip Hop was/is sold to the public.
I mean to this day unless you're a head already and realize it's a genre of music that encompasses
a bunch of different perspectives and musical styles then you're likely still talking about Hip-Hop music as
if Gangsta rap is still the most dominant OR the only form of it. And when I say "Gangsta Rap" I really mean
"Gangsta Rap" in it's dumbest most disposable form.
You ask joe blow who "oddisee" is, you'll get a confused look.
You ask joe blow who "Murs" is, you'll get a confused look.
You ask joe blow about just about any rapper that isn't popping on a major label or with enough
money behind them to get their content to the masses and generally they'll be at a loss.
It's a problem that's been here for a minute now, I mean it's even showing up in this very thread.
"Hip-Hop" isn't really being discussed, this is basically a "Gangsta Rap" flogging thread where "Gangsta Rap"
becomes the defacto Hip-Hop.
WHAT !?!
In reality rapping about fukking stocks would make for terrible music and the truth is it would
do fukk all to improve the world.
You guys live in this fantasy world where changing rap's subject matter would magically....change reality.
No, I don't.Breh u talking to a nikka who go wayyyy back with 50. Don't do this to yourself
A few songs here & there don't mean shyt when you 30+ & far removed from that scene still talking kill kill sell a pack rhymes a majority of the time.
You mentioning other genres like Rap ain't supposed to be the most authentic heartfelt one I.e. Rappers writing they own rhymes. I don't listen to U2 but what does their music topics consist of?
You don't see a problem with a guy like a 50, sheek or Ross rapping about what they are when they ain't experience that shyt in 15+ years?
It's the reason I don't see a problem with Metal bands singing about demons and wizards and whatever else they throw in there.
Because depending on the sub-genre I'm seeking out that's the content I expect.
"Kill, Kill. Sell a pack" rhymes aren't inherently bad, I mean in this very thread people are bringing up
Nas like he didn't have several records talking about street crime or mentioning it in passing on his last album.