Should Billionaires Exist?

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People arguing billionaires shouldn’t exist while also wanting the products, services and inventions billionaires created :mjlol: 99% of which was motivated by the potential for financial gain. There should be higher taxes. Obviously. All this anti-capitalist talk is silly. I fukk with Sanders and Warren on some issues but I don’t need to have two spoiled privileged white folk riling me up when they living in luxury themselves due to the same economic system they’re crusading against. Bernie worth $2 million dollars. ....
Bernie just hit the rich man mark off of his book sells. Similar to his campaign. if a bunch of people wants to donate 18 bucks and that ends up making his campaign have a lot of money the same can be said for a book he rights. if a bunch of people wants to purchase a bernie book at a 20 buck price tag or close to it. then sure he can get rich. if everyone int he world buys his book he will hit a few billi off of the book sales. but if we find out the book manufacturer is under paying his/her employees. something has to change including bernie getting that fat of a cut on the profits.

No one said you cant get rich. we're talking about people becoming MEGA rich. what can you do with a billion dollars? what needs to be purchased with a billi? only you purchasing other companies. you know what that means? odds are you're probably monopolizing some industry while doing so. which goes back to the question does their even need to be Billi goats running around? the answer is ...NO for various reasons. There isnt one single reason why they should exist beyond the "i'm scared they're going to eventually say you can't make a million" thought or the "These ultra rich give us so much and make society so much better" bad argument because we know we do not NEED FACEBOOK AT ALL.. Outside of a great search engine and their maps, we dont need other google products either. and a lot of them are not making the society better, just different. and we dont even have to go that hard and talk about needs or necessities. there are things that pop up as new that we find out makes us do things more efficiently. a google search engine that helps me find all sorts of information on every presidential candidate thats running. that is worth investing in. but how much does one need to have in their pocket for that to be a solid search engine? not 100's of billions which means pre divorce he had 100's of 1000's of millions of dollars.

I think i'm going to have to start making infographs of things you guys understand. because i think we've been talking that billionaire talk like we know what the hell that amount of money is. YOU DONT.

Beyonce and Jigga are worth approx 1.5 billion. last we checked. Bezos at one point was worth 111.5 Billion.

lets do the math. how many Beyonce & jigga couples would it take to be one bezos? 74 beyonces & jigga couples.

Bezos at one point had more money than some countries GDP. Let that sink in for a minute. one man had enough money to more or less be his own country. and we have a few of these people in america.

median income of $65,000 per year. it will take 1.7million of those people to make up one man named bezos. and we have a few of him running around in america.

Bloomberg hopped into the Dem race late in the primaries and decided to drop a 100 mil of his own money on campaign ads. and it worked. his poll numbers went up . do you really want single people running around with that much power?
 

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@MMS, I'm more than a little tired of you ignoring the things I propose in order to just repeat mantras. You need to make logical defenses of WHY the systems you love are the best possible systems, not just keep repeating "it is so thus it must be".




That's not true, that is just the dogma of the radical capitalist position. Obviously even if you only equate money with value then there is money traded at every step of the process as well as by government, not just by end-use customers buying finished products.

And are you really going to claim that forests, fisheries, clean air, clean water, public health, an educated populace, basic human rights, healthy families, personal time, etc. have no value until you have a customer to pay for them? You have no justification for that other than a priori adherence to a radical capitalist worldview.




More like 500-800 years. There are multiple ways in which an economic system can be designed and the radical capitalist agenda is certainly not the only one nor is is inevitable. However, if maintained it will certainly inevitably destroy the world.




You can keep repeating that but none of your arguments for it come close to disputing the clear economic consensus that yes, money is a store of value. The easiest way to counter your claim - if money is simply a measure of value, and someone produces a product whose value is mismeasured and thus they inadvertently are given too much money but then the product they sold is later determined to have been worth much less, does their money lose its value or not? If money was only a measure then it would adjust as the value of the goods it was exchanged for adjusts, but in fact money retains its value even when it was gained fraudulently or by mistake. In fact, even in cases of theft the government has to seize the money itself in order to remove it's worth, because the value is literally being held in possession of the money.

All that aside, I'm confused as to why you keep repeating your erroneous mantra anyway, as the semantics don't actually help you reject any of the arguments I made. Unfortunately, you simply keep ignoring the actual arguments I made.




You misunderstand what I meant by "teachers". I was not referring to professors, I was referring to Ayn Rand and the others who wrote the propaganda you eat up.




This is more evidence that you're not even trying to read my arguments, I've never proposed backing the currency with gold nor do I believe that the current method of dispensing fiat currency via loans at positive interest is sustainable, I have however explicitly suggested backing currency with concrete public goods.




Really suggest you read some Silvio Gesell or Bernard Lietaer. In fact, I'll inject some into the conversation for you.
Ill explain why I'm not backtracking or entertaining your position as typically I would but not in this case

Underneath everything barter is taking place. You exchange your time ultimately for living essentials + creature comforts of society for yourself and/or your family. Without money my argument becomes VERY obvious.

With money it allows you to bypass: Selling why your time is valuable, marketing why your time is valuable, and in some cases even avoiding fulifilling/supporting why your time is valuable. This is the beauty of being a worker.

You can exist as a piece in the process of a company offering something of value to a customer greater than the sum of money transacted. The company then offers your money in exchange for your time (as soon as you accept their value the contract is set and your value is worth what they pay you).

RE: the forests and the trees - Yes. In fact a massive yes. The people who value them the most will pay the most to have them. Right now not enough people value the land to purchase it to protect it. So those who want to exploit are getting it for cheap. Only change is to buy it yourself tbh.

Currency and crude forms of capitalism date back to Knossos in minoan crete. Not 500-800 years. You'll find currency under monarchies despots parliaments etc. Its the 3rd greatest human invention outside of language and mathematics.

Money is only a store of value based on its backing. Ancient times rare metals were stamped as coinage right, well technically what could YOU do with a slab of gold other than trade it for money? Are you going to make ingots and sell them as widgets to manufacturers? Use them in circuitry?

Technically its all the same gold, its what's done with it that changes its value....hopefully that analogy explains how money is not a store of value. Just a measure deliberated via two observers.

I couldnt really tell you who ayn rand is. I just have my education, history, career, and my business ventures from making my observations.

You can sit there and talk about how im erroneous but have you ever sold something you made for at least a year? No, working for anyone elses company does not count.
 

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If the "job" could not be complete without you, or *someone in your position* then you are just as much a producer as the person who drew the schematics out.
Chains of production aren't divided into "producer" and "other," its a chain for a reason.
there is no chain :dwillhuh:

there is only business entity and customer.

The job is not unique and are designed as such. The more unique a job is generally the higher its pay. That said its still a TASK delegated by the business entity that is running the operation. They can choose how they want that task fulfilled whether its a person, a robot or themself.

I go through this exact thought process when i design businesses because ultimately what I care about is providing the most value possible at the least possible expense thus that my offer to thecustomer is one they would gladly transact on
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You're telling me that in my pursuit of providing value or solving a problem for a customer so good that they would give me money I should be increasing my price in order to satisfy my tasks? :patrice::martin: bytches can kick rocks:gucci:
 

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"The Eleventh Round", a parable by Bernard Lietaer with additions by Charles Eisenstein. It gives a simple explanation of the problems surrounding our current financial system where all money is disbursed via loans at interest, such that there is always more money owed than ever created and massive constant pressure across the system to overproduce for the sake of paying back loans that literally don't have enough money available to pay back.


The Eleventh Round

Once upon a time, in a small village in the Outback, people used barter for all their transactions. On every market day, people walked around with chickens, eggs, hams, and breads, and engaged in prolonged negotiations among themselves to exchange what they needed. At key periods of the year, like harvests or whenever someone’s barn needed big repairs after a storm, people recalled the tradition of helping each other out that they had brought from the old country. They knew that if they had a problem someday, others would aid them in return.

One market day, a stranger with shiny black shoes and an elegant white hat came by and observed the whole process with a sardonic smile. When he saw one farmer running around to corral the six chickens he wanted to exchange for a big ham, he could not refrain from laughing. “Poor people,” he said, “so primitive.” The farmer’s wife overheard him and challenged the stranger, “Do you think you can do a better job handling chickens?” “Chickens, no,” responded the stranger, “But there is a much better way to eliminate all that hassle.” “Oh yes, how so?” asked the woman. “See that tree there?” the stranger replied. “Well, I will go wait there for one of you to bring me one large cowhide. Then have every family visit me. I’ll explain the better way.”

And so it happened. He took the cowhide, and cut perfect leather rounds in it, and put an elaborate and graceful little stamp on each round. Then he gave to each family 10 rounds, and explained that each represented the value of one chicken. “Now you can trade and bargain with the rounds instead of the unwieldy chickens,” he explained.

It made sense. Everybody was impressed with the man with the shiny shoes and inspiring hat.

“Oh, by the way,” he added after every family had received their 10 rounds, “in a year’s time, I will come back and sit under that same tree. I want you to each bring me back 11 rounds. That 11th round is a token of appreciation for the technological improvement I just made possible in your lives.” “But where will the 11th round come from?” asked the farmer with the six chickens. “You’ll see,” said the man with a reassuring smile.

Assuming that the population and its annual production remain exactly the same during that next year, what do you think had to happen? Remember, that 11th round was never created. Therefore, bottom line, one of each 11 families will have to lose all its rounds, even if everybody managed their affairs well, in order to provide the 11th round to 10 others.

So when a storm threatened the crop of one of the families, people became less generous with their time to help bring it in before disaster struck. While it was much more convenient to exchange the rounds instead of the chickens on market days, the new game also had the unintended side effect of actively discouraging the spontaneous cooperation that was traditional in the village. Instead, the new money game was generating a systemic undertow of competition among all the participants.

This parable begins to show how competition, insecurity, and greed are woven into our economy because of interest. They can never be eliminated as long as the necessities of life are denominated in interest-money. But let us continue the story now to show how interest also creates an endless pressure for perpetual economic growth.

There are three primary ways Lietaer’s story could end: default, growth in the money supply, or redistribution of wealth. One of each eleven families could go bankrupt and surrender their farms to the man in the hat (the banker), or he could procure another cowhide and make more currency, or the villagers could tar-and-feather the banker and refuse to repay the rounds. The same choices face any economy based on usury.

So imagine now that the villagers gather round the man in the hat and say, “Sir, could you please give us some additional rounds so that none of us need go bankrupt?”

The man says, “I will, but only to those who can assure me they will pay me back. Since each round is worth one chicken, I’ll lend new rounds to people who have more chickens than the number of rounds they already owe me. That way, if they don’t pay back the rounds, I can seize their chickens instead. Oh, and because I’m such a nice guy, I’ll even create new rounds for people who don’t have additional chickens right now, if they can persuade me that they will breed more chickens in the future. So show me your business plan! Show me that you are trustworthy (one villager can create ‘credit reports’ to help you do that). I’ll lend at 10 percent-if you are a clever breeder, you can increase your flock by 20 percent per year, pay me back, and get rich yourself, too.”

The villagers ask, “That sounds OK, but since you are creating the new rounds at 10 percent interest also, there still won’t be enough to pay you back in the end.”

“That won’t be a problem,” says the man. “You see, when that time arrives, I will have created even more rounds, and when those come due, I’ll create yet more. I will always be willing to lend new rounds into existence. Of course, you’ll have to produce more chickens, but as long as you keep increasing chicken production, there will never be a problem.”

A child comes up to him and says, “Excuse me, sir, my family is sick, and we don’t have enough rounds to buy food. Can you issue some new rounds to me?”

“I’m sorry,” says the man, “but I cannot do that. You see, I only create rounds for those who are going to pay me back. Now, if your family has some chickens to pledge as collateral, or if you can prove you are able to work a little harder to breed more chickens, then I will be happy to give you the rounds.”

With a few unfortunate exceptions, the system worked fine for a while. The villagers grew their flocks fast enough to obtain the additional rounds they needed to pay back the man in the hat. Some, for whatever reason-ill fortune or ineptitude-did indeed go bankrupt, and their more fortunate, more efficient neighbors took over their farms and hired them as labor. Overall, though, the flocks grew at 10 percent a year along with the money supply. The village and its flocks had grown so large that the man in the hat was joined by many others like him, all busily cutting out new rounds and issuing them to anyone with a good plan to breed more chickens.

From time to time, problems arose. For one, it became apparent that no one really needed all those chickens. “We’re getting sick of eggs,” the children complained. “Every room in the house has a feather bed now,” complained the housewives. In order to keep consumption of chicken products growing, the villagers invented all kinds of devices. It became fashionable to buy a new feather mattress every month, and bigger houses to keep them in, and to have yards and yards full of chickens. Disputes arose with other villages that were settled with huge egg-throwing battles. “We must create demand for more chickens!” shouted the mayor, who was the brother-in-law of the man in the hat. “That way we will all continue to grow rich.”

One day, a village old-timer noticed another problem. Whereas the fields around the village had once been green and fertile, now they were brown and foul. All the vegetation had been stripped away to plant grain to feed the chickens. The ponds and streams, once full of fish, were now cesspools of stinking manure. She said, “This has to stop! If we keep expanding our flocks, we will soon drown in chicken shyt!”

The man in the hat pulled her aside and, in reassuring tones, told her, “Don’t worry, there is another village down the road with plenty of fertile fields. The men of our village are planning to farm out chicken production to them. And if they don’t agree … well, we outnumber them. Anyway, you can’t be serious about ending growth. Why, how would your neighbors pay off their debts? How would I be able to create new rounds? Even I would go bankrupt.”

And so, one by one, all the villages turned to stinking cesspools surrounding enormous flocks of chickens that no one really needed, and the villages fought each other for the few remaining green spaces that could support a few more years of growth. Yet despite their best efforts to maintain growth, its pace began to slow. As growth slowed, debt began to rise in proportion to income, until many people spent all their available rounds just paying off the man in the hat. Many went bankrupt and had to work at subsistence wages for employers who themselves could barely meet their obligations to the man in the hat. There were fewer and fewer people who could afford to buy chicken products, making it even harder to maintain demand and growth. Amid an environment-wrecking superabundance of chickens, more and more people had barely enough on which to live, leading to the paradox of scarcity amidst abundance.

And that is where things stand today.
at what point does the customer decide they have had enough chicken :mjlol: that 10% is built on that alone. The minute chicken demand is less than that 10% its over.

this parables has hella holes and just assumes consumer greed and consumption increase over time. Its not the producers who embolden this system its the convenience of the rounds and chickens :feedme:

all i see is a village that got too comfortable and didnt hold themselves accountable for their own overconsumption and trust in a convenience product :mjgrin:
 

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if the only reason you're doing something is to get rich. and i have allowed you in a society to get ultra rich which means you will then have ultra power. naw, we dont need that at all. we would be better off without your ideas/inventions.

another thing, yall do realize we have a lot of people in this country. and where there are lots of people, that are lots of smart people and lots of people with good to great ideas running around. this idea that if we do this we will all of a sudden make every single person with a great idea and every single smart person disappear to some other country is stupid.

there are some broke a.. black kids running around these hoods that are smarter than steve jobs ever was, smarter than or as smart as Warren B, donald trump, Bill Gates, and Bezos all put together. but they are so broke that odds are their great ideas will never see the light of day.
Sure people want to have businesses that thrive. and yes you will get rich one day. but you dont ever need to make a 1000 million dollars. never. you dont need it, and neither does anyone else. you wont even know what to do with that kind of money/power. which is the real problem. you get that kind of doe then you start trying to make big moves in public sector stuff like education(bill gates, mr facebook) and they both failed at it miserably. why? because just cause you're good at computers doesnt mean you're good at everything else. odds are you're just good at that one thing and you suck at other stuff. but that billi on your name has you and others thinking you're smarter than the rest of us. you aint. you're just really good at the one thing you're good at. which is fine.

You don’t have the right to put a glass ceiling on how much someone makes. Go live in a communist country if that’s what you want. Oops. They all failed miserably. We already know you wouldn’t let nobody do this to your paycheck right now :stopitslime: and definitely not if you ever started making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year :stopitslime: All y’all dudes hypocrites. Before you know it people will be saying having $10 million is bad, then having $1 million is bad. FOH.

You act like they stole that money. Like they committed a crime or something. YOU choose to buy Nikes. YOU choose to buy iPhones. YOU choose to buy PCs with Windows Operating System. YOU choose to watch the NBA & the NFL. Nobody put a gun to your head. They just need to raise taxes. All the other shyt is for the birds.
 

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You don’t have the right to put a glass ceiling on how much someone makes. Go live in a communist country if that’s what you want. Oops. They all failed miserably. We already know you wouldn’t let nobody do this to your paycheck right now :stopitslime: and definitely not if you ever started making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year :stopitslime: All y’all dudes hypocrites. Before you know it people will be saying having $10 million is bad, then having $1 million is bad. FOH.

You act like they stole that money. Like they committed a crime or something. YOU choose to buy Nikes. YOU choose to buy iPhones. YOU choose to buy PCs with Windows Operating System. YOU choose to watch the NBA & the NFL. Nobody put a gun to your head. They just need to raise taxes. All the other shyt is for the birds.
after reading that bs eleventh round parable they told on themself

no accountability for a life of consumption. Its so ingrained that they probably dont even know what to be tangibly poor is

i had a VA who after making $1500 a month from me bought a luxury sedan and moved into a 4 BR home in his country :whew: its so silly how people are completely numb to their own consumption here in the US
 

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You don’t have the right to put a glass ceiling on how much someone makes. Go live in a communist country if that’s what you want. Oops. They all failed miserably. We already know you wouldn’t let nobody do this to your paycheck right now :stopitslime: and definitely not if you ever started making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year :stopitslime: All y’all dudes hypocrites. Before you know it people will be saying having $10 million is bad, then having $1 million is bad. FOH.

You act like they stole that money. Like they committed a crime or something. YOU choose to buy Nikes. YOU choose to buy iPhones. YOU choose to buy PCs with Windows Operating System. YOU choose to watch the NBA & the NFL. Nobody put a gun to your head. They just need to raise taxes. All the other shyt is for the birds.
Say it louder for the far left libs on the back.
I just don’t understand how you can dictate how successful someone should aspire to be :mindblown:, but at the same time you want to tax the resources of these extremely successful people to fund your social programs.
 

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You don’t have the right to put a glass ceiling on how much someone makes. Go live in a communist country if that’s what you want. Oops. They all failed miserably. We already know you wouldn’t let nobody do this to your paycheck right now :stopitslime: and definitely not if you ever started making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year :stopitslime: All y’all dudes hypocrites. Before you know it people will be saying having $10 million is bad, then having $1 million is bad. FOH.

You act like they stole that money. Like they committed a crime or something. YOU choose to buy Nikes. YOU choose to buy iPhones. YOU choose to buy PCs with Windows Operating System. YOU choose to watch the NBA & the NFL. Nobody put a gun to your head. They just need to raise taxes. All the other shyt is for the birds.

Most of if not all of them have....several in fact. Most of yall have manipulated into thinking white collar financial crimes are something minuscule though so *shrugs*.
 

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Billionaires have existed since the beginning of time in one form or another. From feudal and serfs in europe and asia. To Gold rich kingdoms in south america and africa.

There will always be the haves and have nots. there will always be people that horde all the wealth and others who will take it by violent force.
Any one who thinks more laws will change the course of human history is delusional.
 

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You don’t have the right to put a glass ceiling on how much someone makes. Go live in a communist country if that’s what you want. Oops. They all failed miserably. We already know you wouldn’t let nobody do this to your paycheck right now :stopitslime: and definitely not if you ever started making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year :stopitslime: All y’all dudes hypocrites. Before you know it people will be saying having $10 million is bad, then having $1 million is bad. FOH.

You act like they stole that money. Like they committed a crime or something. YOU choose to buy Nikes. YOU choose to buy iPhones. YOU choose to buy PCs with Windows Operating System. YOU choose to watch the NBA & the NFL. Nobody put a gun to your head. They just need to raise taxes. All the other shyt is for the birds.
look here dummies that think like the above. yep, i'm calling yall what yall are. we aint playing nice with this nonsense.

You said i dont want anyone putting a glass ceiling on my paycheck. ...

Lets start talking, Groups with glass ceilings: Women, Black Men & Black Woman.
I'm a black man. glass ceiling CHECK.

We're not talking about the random once in a life time possibilities. we're talking probabilities. odds are not in favor of a black man making a billion. just aint happening for 99.99991% of us. So acting like that one of chance of luck is something to set policy on is stupid at best. at worst is down right evil. The super rich put this idea in your mind: You too can be like me one day. just work hard."

Then you find out that they didnt work nearly as hard as they say they did, nor did they work nearly as smart as you thought they did. they were GIVEN things all throughout the process of becoming mega rich.

You say become a communist if i want my government to tax the ish out of these ultra rich people. which will cause them to not have billions.
I say tell them rich people to go live in some communist country because they like welfare as much as i do. its called CORPORATE welfare.

Lobbying congress, asking the president to setup tax law or to not really regulate those that violate tax law who are very rich. is no different than some broke person asking for financial assistance from the government. EXCEPT only one of the two people making their request to the government actually NEEDS the money while the other person is hoarding more of it.

You see that pledge that warren B and bill gates/others have taken when it comes to giving their money away over time. that sounds great at first. until you realize what i said.

Why do we have to wait on these clowns to give us our money back in small increments, when they could have easily did so thru fair proper wage growth and not dodging taxes looking for loopholes. no they are not as bad as the bezos of the world. but they're still bad. you dont get to that point without being shady and skeet skirting laws/regulation.

Pay me right, give me free college, stop giving me stupid ridiculous loans to go to college. stop making the tuition cost so darn much to begin with. so i wont go broke trying and the only few people who come out on top are those that already had money. which keeps the cycle going of most of the have nots still have nothing and most of the haves are getting even more money.

allow the brokes to fish for themselves. pay them write and give them public programs that work for them.

You need a cap on how much you can make if when you start making that much money you start controlling my government. sorry, i didnt vote for gates. so i dont want gates making any decisions on any public services. he can state his ideas like any other citizen or even like an expert in the field he's an expert in.but thats where it stops.
 

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Billionaires have existed since the beginning of time in one form or another. From feudal and serfs in europe and asia. To Gold rich kingdoms in south america and africa.

There will always be the haves and have nots. there will always be people that horde all the wealth and others who will take it by violent force.
Any one who thinks more laws will change the course of human history is delusional.
i'll say this again. people talk about laws and the government like its some machine . its not. its YOU and I. if you and I stop voting for idiots and start voting people out we know are taking bribes. they will stop taking bribes when they run for office. the more Honest joes and janes you have there. the better. the more you have the better the system works. no it will never be perfect, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt aim for perfection. the aim will have you in a better place every day that goes by. thats the approach that should be taken. not this there will always be poor people and rich people.

You do realize there are MORE poor people and less super rich people than there was before % wise. so this idea that says everything will always be this way is a lie. it wasnt always this way.
 

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after reading that bs eleventh round parable they told on themself

no accountability for a life of consumption. Its so ingrained that they probably dont even know what to be tangibly poor is

i had a VA who after making $1500 a month from me bought a luxury sedan and moved into a 4 BR home in his country :whew: its so silly how people are completely numb to their own consumption here in the US
dont tell me what someone does in another country. we're talking about the U S of A. i dont want to hear about what they could do in some other place. that aint here. it would be one thing if all of our jobs were remote where we could live st louis paying st louis rent while working for netflix in california. or could live in mexico while working for Microsoft. sure they have a handful of jobs like that. but most are not that way. most people have to go to work in the city/state they live in. and we know the cost of living is different in all of these states/cities even.

The bay area is more expensive than los angeles which is more expensive than houston and atlanta.
NY and DC are more expensive than Virginia(parts) and Maryland(parts).

$20/hr could go a heck of a lot further in atlanta than it can in los angeles. doing the exact same job. but doing the same job if you had to move to atlanta would have you making $16.00 / hr instead of 20 and you would be back lacking again even in the ATL.
 

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Say it louder for the far left libs on the back.
I just don’t understand how you can dictate how successful someone should aspire to be :mindblown:, but at the same time you want to tax the resources of these extremely successful people to fund your social programs.
they are dictating thru lobbying and changing laws how successful the rest of us can be. they are dictating thru low wages how successful employees can become. so i'm doing the same thing to them. its sure funny how the regular people like yourself jumps up to cheer lead for them but when i point out we can do the same thing. you can't agree. we can do exactly the same things they do to us but back to them.

When these companies start making monopolies or start getting together for dinner and start agreeing on ridiculous pricing for prescription drugs in order to keep all drugs prices sky high (in america only ). if they can do that. we can do it too.
 

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dont tell me what someone does in another country. we're talking about the U S of A. i dont want to hear about what they could do in some other place. that aint here. it would be one thing if all of our jobs were remote where we could live st louis paying st louis rent while working for netflix in california. or could live in mexico while working for Microsoft. sure they have a handful of jobs like that. but most are not that way. most people have to go to work in the city/state they live in. and we know the cost of living is different in all of these states/cities even.

The bay area is more expensive than los angeles which is more expensive than houston and atlanta.
NY and DC are more expensive than Virginia(parts) and Maryland(parts).

$20/hr could go a heck of a lot further in atlanta than it can in los angeles. doing the exact same job. but doing the same job if you had to move to atlanta would have you making $16.00 / hr instead of 20 and you would be back lacking again even in the ATL.
why is it assumed that you cant move? Ton of companies being started in wyoming and a small silicone valley is growing there. I read somewhere that spending $1 there gets you $2 in value (its like 0.7 if you in NYC and even in North Carolina)

but people aint trying to leave :francis: i have family that refuses to leave north jersey despite being insanely expensive
 
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