Should *edited* cooperation and respect from a woman be conditional and if so what caliber or type of man deserves one

[Shadow King]

It's sounds corny AF

Brehs really expect someone who works just like you do, to submit to you like a child. lol.

How about mutual respect?

Breh love is conditional.Very naive to think a woman is going to stick to her role if she has to work full time.

OP this is pretty much the answer.

Submissive isn't the word you're looking for. The words you're looking for are supportive and loyal. Submissive sounds domineering and controlling.

What is sounds like isn't necessarily what it is, but that's the issue that people women voluntarily take with the word.

It depends on what you mean by "submissive"; some of y'all's definition of a submissive woman is more or less having a maid who lets you smash.

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Well based on these terms such as "security and direction", and the idea the woman shouldn't be working, that's not farfetched or negative.

 

[Mowgli]

Breh love is conditional.Very naive to think a woman is going to stick to her role if she has to work full time.

Nah ur naive to think she wont

Then again, you dont have a black belt in Brazillian Jiujitsu so what would you know really. You not living the lifestyle

 

[Astroslik]

Submissive only means agreeable or deferring to your direction of the group or joint agenda

doesn't mean slavery like so many of you try to make it

too much of an all or nothing mindset on this board, now I remember why I stopped reading here,I need to go back to not coming here again

Bunch of weak eunuchs in here associating submissiveness with slavery. Straight female talking points and its sad

 

[Family Man]

Who the fukk are y'all nikkas these days for any woman to be submissive to? Y'all are on some clown shyt for real.

 

[Black Panther]

OP this is pretty much the answer.

What is sounds like isn't necessarily what it is, but that's the issue that people women voluntarily take with the word.

Well based on these terms such as "security and direction", and the idea the woman shouldn't be working, that's not farfetched or negative.

Whatever floats your boat, do you...but "shouldn't" implies a standard that I don't subscribe to.

If you don't want your woman working, find you someone who's cool with that. My parents been together 38 years and my moms always kept a job, so it's clearly not a universal standard.

 

[FTBS]

That's the part a lot of dudes miss. They think they can sit around pillow talking women, day dreaming them to death. Then when the girl gets tired of hearing your chit chat, she's the problem. A woman will follow you 100 miles, but if you ain't taking any steps, she's not going to take you seriously. It could take you 20 years to get there, and she'll be patient, so long as you're being consistent.

Why do they miss it though? Are some delusional, entitled, and/or megalomaniacal? Sure. But we also see a lot of chicks submitting to nikkas that aint doing shyt. For most women, especially young ones, it aint a logical linear process. If my mama was cookin for some nothing ass no job having nikka after she came home from work what else would I expect?

 

[Shadow King]

Whatever floats your boat, do you...but "shouldn't" implies a standard that I don't subscribe to.

If you don't want your woman working, find you someone who's cool with that. My parents been together 38 years and my moms always kept a job, so it's clearly not a universal standard.

All this is fine but doesn't answer the question or flesh out what submission is or what the criteria is to command that type of relationship.

Are you saying there was submission in spite of your mother working?

 

[Bumblebreh]

Nah ur naive to think she wont

Then again, you dont have a black belt in Brazillian Jiujitsu so what would you know really. You not living the lifestyle

End of next year I will have a purple belt.And I might spar you one day.

 

[FTBS]

But the issue is there are men that cannot provide that and they are still expecting submission.The word submission is the wrong word and it is often used as means to have dominion over someone.Which is not healthy.

This is valid. However what defines provision. We talking basic necessities or bags and monthly trips? Men and women alike cling to certain old school or even Ancient or Holy principles but they usually dont fully understand what they mean or what they come with. For example, you got chicks being provided for in the most luxurious manner complaining that dude is cheating or beating her. These things used to be an accepted part of the trade off for provision. shyt some of ya grandaddy's got two families. Most folks want what they feel or what sounds good but they dont really understand what they are actually asking for and what they have to do or accept in exchange.

 

[F*ckthemkids]

Why do they miss it though? Are some delusional, entitled, and/or megalomaniacal? Sure. But we also see a lot of chicks submitting to nikkas that aint doing shyt. For most women, especially young ones, it aint a logical linear process. If my mama was cookin for some nothing ass no job having nikka after she came home from work what else would I expect?

Because they fall for the old saying " a man falls in love with his eyes, a woman falls in love with her ears.". They believe that if the game sounds good and the dikk is sufficient the woman will stay. Problem is girls grow up...They get tired of you using their car. They get tired of giving you money. They get tired of sitting around while you and your homies record songs in a bathroom makeshift studio. They desire a man with direction and a plan.

 

[MikelArteta]

It's biblical

 

[Black Panther]

All this is fine but doesn't answer the question or flesh out what submission is or what the criteria is to command that type of relationship.

Are you saying there was submission in spite of your mother working?

What I'm saying that no one has clearly defined submission, nor have they explained why it's only important for a woman to be submissive.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

OP this is pretty much the answer.

What is sounds like isn't necessarily what it is, but that's the issue that people women voluntarily take with the word.

Well based on these terms such as "security and direction", and the idea the woman shouldn't be working, that's not farfetched or negative.

Submissive is a choice. It’s synonymous with compliance and being a subordinate. Not an equal. Supportive and compatible sound too equitable, I suppose.

 

[FTBS]

Because they fall for the old saying " a man falls in love with his eyes, a woman falls in love with her ears.". They believe that if the game sounds good and the dikk is sufficient the woman will stay. Problem is girls grow up...They get tired of you using their car. They get tired of giving you money. They get tired of sitting around while you and your homies record songs in a bathroom makeshift studio. They desire a man with direction and a plan.

But it works at first though...that's the thing. Sure many women eventually get tired but after how long? After how many blowjobs and meals and years without paying rent? If you arent driven as a man what you are describing is not an incentive to do more. And beyond that, a lot if chicks just give in an accept it after so long. This isnt an endorsement of such trifling behavior. But its an acknowledgement of the reality and the role women play. If women didnt accept it to begin with fewer men would think it was ok.

 

[Jalether]

Submissive isn't the word you're looking for. The words you're looking for are supportive and loyal. Submissive sounds domineering and controlling.

Yeah you are right