Should *edited* cooperation and respect from a woman be conditional and if so what caliber or type of man deserves one

[F*ckthemkids]

But it works at first though...that's the thing. Sure many women eventually get tired but after how long? After how many blowjobs and meals and years without paying rent? If you arent driven as a man what you are describing is not an incentive to do more. And beyond that, a lot if chicks just give in an accept it after so long. This isnt an endorsement of such trifling behavior. But its an acknowledgement of the reality and the role women play. If women didnt accept it to begin with fewer men would think it was ok.

You're right breh. People treat you how you allow them to treat you. The double edge to this is that women who have certain "requirements" are seen as unyielding and unrealistic. The saddest part is that someone stick around for years, only to get tired, leave and end up shacking up again with the same type of man in a new make, model.

 

[The Fade]

Depends on your cultural and community values.

If you are a secular or individualist person you need negotiate at the table visibly

if you have to be told as an adult to “create a masculine/feminine space” it’s sounds funny when you ask for a “submissive/provider” role from someone because you obviously were not raised with those cultural values

 

[Shadow King]

What I'm saying that no one has clearly defined submission, nor have they explained why it's only important for a woman to be submissive.

No one has clearly defined it because they don't want to deal with the definition.

Women by and large do not want to wear the leader's hat. So if she's looking for a man to "lead", than submission or whatever word choice is made, is the natural order.

Submissive is a choice. It’s synonymous with compliance and being a subordinate. Not an equal. Supportive and compatible sound too equitable, I suppose.

Everything listed is a choice. Compliance is not negative. Subordinate sounds negative, but like I said in the above response, you can't seek leadership and not offer compliance or subordination (within reason).

Women do not want equals. We were taught to seek female equals because of the feminist push of the last half century, but our sisters/girl cousins were still taught that whatever they have or done, the prospective man should have or do more, and be willing to expend or do those things for the her.

A lot of what gets lost, or maybe isn't understood in the first place, is that leadership is just the most exalted form of service. Which is why men get told to "choose wisely".

 

[Goat poster]

Every relationship structure is conditional.

 

[FTBS]

Submissive is a choice. It’s synonymous with compliance and being a subordinate. Not an equal. Supportive and compatible sound too equitable, I suppose.

But you must consider the time where that particular word choice comes from. Wasnt no equity.

The wildest part of all is how many women espouse this same line of thinking indirectly and sometimes directly. When they say they want an Alpha, a Man's Man, a man that takes charge, a man that provides, they wanna live soft life etc thats exactly what they are doing.

Yes being supportive and compatible or even receptive make perfect sense and fit and have way less baggage but people love this outdated shyt no matter how often or how hard they rail against it.

 

[Goat poster]

Alot of men want "submissive" women but have no idea on how to truly lead a household or the hard work it takes.

Nikkas wanna play Madden all day and expect they girl to wait on them hand and feet.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

No one has clearly defined it because they don't want to deal with the definition.

Women by and large do not want to wear the leader's hat. So if she's looking for a man to "lead", than submission or whatever word choice is made, is the natural order.

Everything listed is a choice. Compliance is not negative. Subordinate sounds negative, but like I said in the above response, you can't seek leadership and not offer compliance or subordination (within reason).

Women do not want equals. We were taught to seek female equals because of the feminist push of the last half century, but our sisters/girl cousins were still taught that whatever they have or done, the prospective man should have or do more, and be willing to expend or do those things for the her.

A lot of what gets lost, or maybe isn't understood in the first place, is that leadership is just the most exalted form of service. Which is why men get told to "choose wisely".

We’ll have to agree to disagree. The way you paint relationships is almost like a parent raising a child instead of a partnership. And I really emphasize the word partnership. Not sure what feminism has to do with the subject, rather it’s basic respect for your life partner’s mind, body, and soul.

 

[Shadow King]

We’ll have to agree to disagree. The way you paint relationships is almost like a parent raising a child instead of a partnership. And I really emphasize the word partnership. Not sure what feminism has to do with the subject, rather it’s basic respect for your life partner.

I'm not painting relationships like a parent raising a child. At all.

Feminism has everything to do with the subject. You sound ensnared by it.

 

[Shadow King]

Alot of men want "submissive" women but have no idea on how to truly lead a household or the hard work it takes.

Nikkas wanna play Madden all day and expect they girl to wait on them hand and feet.

The vast majority of men aren't doing this.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

I'm not painting relationships like a parent raising a child. At all.

Feminism has everything to do with the subject. You sound ensnared by it.

I dunno. The whole “leadership” stuff sounds weird if you’re partnering with someone as accomplished and educated as yourself, which should be the goal. Not sure why I would constantly need to “lead” another grown up. That’s what you do for children.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

I’ve learned that women are either submissive or not. So she’s willing to buss it wide for you, but not submit? That says a lot about her. She’s willing to give her body to a man she wouldn’t submit to.

 

[FTBS]

No one has clearly defined it because they don't want to deal with the definition.

Women by and large do not want to wear the leader's hat. So if she's looking for a man to "lead", than submission or whatever word choice is made, is the natural order.

Everything listed is a choice. Compliance is not negative. Subordinate sounds negative, but like I said in the above response, you can't seek leadership and not offer compliance or subordination (within reason).

Women do not want equals. We were taught to seek female equals because of the feminist push of the last half century, but our sisters/girl cousins were still taught that whatever they have or done, the prospective man should have or do more, and be willing to expend or do those things for the her.

A lot of what gets lost, or maybe isn't understood in the first place, is that leadership is just the most exalted form of service. Which is why men get told to "choose wisely".

People want to have their cake and eat it too. Guys wanna be Mr Big Bad Alpha while splitting bills and providing limited if any protection and no actual leadership. Ladies want a man that provides and allows her to live the soft life without telling her what to do or cheating on her.

You are right...being a leader is a big deal and deeper than most folks realize. A lot of people only see the instructive aspect or percieved freedom and fail to see the pressure or expectations that a leader must carry.

 

[Mr. Glass]

Honestly, I wouldn't even respect a woman who wants to submit or be submissive. My wife and I are Co captains. That's why we get along.

 

[FTBS]

I’ve learned that women are either submissive or not. So she’s willing to buss it wide for you, but not submit? That says a lot about her. She’s willing to give her body to a man she wouldn’t submit to.

Thats a form of submission...actually the ultimate if its raw. You are putting your body and well being of your potential future child...shyt the future of your family on the line for this dude.

 

[Wig Twistin Season]

Honestly, I wouldn't even respect a woman who wants to submit or be submissive. My wife and I are Co captains. That's why we get along.

So when it’s time to get up in middle of the night because a strange sound was heard, who’s getting out of bed? Your wife? No disrespect. Just wondering how that co-captain life works where a man is expected to protect his family and lay his life on the line for them so his wife can stay behind to raise the children.