Should *edited* cooperation and respect from a woman be conditional and if so what caliber or type of man deserves one

[levitate]

Never been attracted to “submissiveness”.

If you need a woman to “submit”…then you are weak as fukk and have a warped sense of manhood.

 

[xXOGLEGENDXx]

Everything in life is conditional. If you stop doing your job, what happens?

Dudes that don't understand this/have a problem with this are usually dudes who don't qualify for the higher caliber of women.


Btw what's the obsession black people have with this stupid topic?

 

[invalid]

Men are to lead for women to submit.

If you can't walk in your headship with respect to finances, security, protection, and direction, you should not have the expectation that a woman will submit to your headship. In this respect, you're submitting to what a woman needs and she, in turn, is submitting to you. Submission is essentially reciprocal.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Submissive isn't the word you're looking for. The words you're looking for are supportive and loyal. Submissive sounds domineering and controlling.

 

[Forsaken]

Men are to lead for women to submit.

If you can't walk in your headship with respect to finances, security, protection, and direction, you should not have the expectation that a woman will submit to your headship. In this respect, you're submitting to what a woman needs and she, in turn, is submitting to you. Submission is essentially reciprocal.

I see what you mean but in reality most women don't want to submit. How many women in the USA are raised to be submissive to a man?

 

[CarltonJunior]

Being submissive isn't necessarily needed. Being teachable and able to be checked (and vice versa) is. If I can't tell you anything without getting your emotions involved then it's probably not gonna work.

 

[Consigliere]

Something tells me that making threads and watching content online about this is one of the main ways to not have a submissive woman on your life.

 

[Vandelay]

I don't need submissiveness. I need a woman who understands sound and rational decision making. My wife is not submissive by any metric, but she rarely makes a decision without my input. Sometimes she recognizes that my input is sound, and sometimes she recognizes the cracks and pushes back. I have no use for a woman that will willingly allow me to walk us into a bad position in the name of "submissiveness" or "femininity". I've seen with my very eyes a man set his family back because "He was the man" and his word was law.

I always had a problem with the concept of "submission". Submission is for slaves or prison inmates. As a grown man of sound judgment and responsibility, my lady and I can talk through the logic or merits of something and if it's wrong it's wrong and if it's right it's right. Yes men or yes women will get you in trouble because you're not thinking critically about whatever the issue at hand is.

 

[invalid]

I see what you mean but in reality most women don't want to submit. How many women in the USA are raised to be submissive to a man?

I understand there are exceptions but I don't necessarily see this with regularity.

And you can be raised a certain way but there are certain things that are biologically inherent. A woman can be raised to be dominant and dominates her relationships, it just means she hasn't met the man that can tame her. But that man is out there.

The question is, will that man find her desirable or attractive to pursue.

Lots of ugly/mid dominant women out there and lots of powerful assertive men who can tame them, but those men ain't even looking in their direction. So now all the less assertive, less powerful men have to deal with them.

 

[blues_funk_reggae]

One of the last shows Kevin Samuels did was called "How much does your submission cost?" he put the question out there, how much does he have to make to get submission from you within a marriage? It was something that women had brought up night after night, "I'm only submitting to the right man" so Kevin wanted them to put a number on it. The women who called in were juelzing left and right, if I remember none gave a clear answer.

 

[Black Panther]

It depends on what you mean by "submissive"; some of y'all's definition of a submissive woman is more or less having a maid who lets you smash.

Black Panther's Anti-Incel Guide for Success With Women

 

[BigBlackSea]

If you layout / create the environment for her, she’ll be submissive. Create a space for comfort and security. It’s simple.

This. Insubordination follows after loss of trust in leadership.

You want to avoid a marital mutiny? Be the type of man she wants to fall in line for.

 

[F*ckthemkids]

I always had a problem with the concept of "submission". Submission is for slaves or prison inmates. As a grown man of sound judgment and responsibility, my lady and I can talk through the logic or merits of something and if it's wrong it's wrong and if it's right it's right. Yes men or yes women will get you in trouble because you're not thinking critically about whatever the issue at hand is.

Exactly.Your relationship is no good if you're both not actively looking for ways to protect the family. Too many dudes get in their feelings when their woman offers an alternative POV, like she's challenging his manhood. Sometimes we get too focused on something and get tunnel vision and lose track of the bigger picture.

 

[Vandelay]

Exactly.Your relationship is no good if you're both not actively looking for ways to protect the family. Too many dudes get in their feelings when their woman offers an alternative POV, like she's challenging his manhood. Sometimes we get too focused on something and get tunnel vision and lose track of the bigger picture.

Yeah, I think there are some dudes who conflate healthy questioning with being argumentative. There are some women out there that are flat out disagreeable; some for the sake of it or because they are used to being the dominant partner. We not talking about those nor do we want them.

 

[Commish]

For me, a woman doesn't have to be submissive. However, I want a woman to be respectful and cooperative.

I don't want a woman who put conditions on how she views & treats me.

Otherwise, it isn't gonna work out...