Too much ego. I don't think Meyers would want to deal with Klutch on that level. Too much LeBron. Too much Rich Paul.
Should Golden State Trade for LeBron James this Summer?
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This is what happens when people let Coli narratives guide their thinking instead of reality.
Duncan has a far more impressive resume than Steph does, and LeBron done passed Duncan two titles ago. It didn't matter that Duncan had 5 titles and Bron just 2, virtually everyone had LeBron ahead of Duncan and by 2016 it was literally everyone while it was still 5 titles to 3.
Let's say Steph gets two more titles and balls out in the process, picking up two Finals MVPs. Then he breaks into the Duncan discussion. In accolades Duncan would still be ahead (same MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more All-Defensive teams, more All-NBA and All-Star teams), but Steph would be legitimately in the discussion. Unfortunately Steph never carried his team to the same extent Duncan did because Steph was a weakness on the defensive side of the ball while Duncan absolutely carried his early title squads on both sides of the ball. Even on the offensive sides Steph had playoff weaknesses, no absolutely striking playoff run where he looked like an all-time GOAT. So Duncan probably still gets the nod.
And that's Duncan. He'd need binoculars to see Bron. No one is going to put Steph top-2 all-time, supplanting Bron and KAJ, just because he finally got his first or second Finals MVPs on a team good enough he could spend the first two playoff rounds coming off the bench.
YOU FORGOT TO MENTIONHE WON ALL 3 OF HIS RINGS
AGAINST LEBRON.
LeGTB IS A DELUSIONAL COMMUNITY
Black Mamba
Superstar
Yes do it
You know you want it GSW
can’t wait till we rid the lakeshow of you bron groupies go sleep on the Warriors couch
You know you want it GSW
can’t wait till we rid the lakeshow of you bron groupies go sleep on the Warriors couch
Even if the warriors win this year and next year with Steph winning back to back FMVP I still don't see him surpassing Bron on the alltime list.
Bron is seen as the 2nd best after MJ, I don’t believe Curry can do anything to get that high.
You're ignoring Duncan's flaws. He only has 3 FMVPs, and he also had some so-so finals performances (07, wtf was that? 13 he was part of the choke against the Heat)This is what happens when people let Coli narratives guide their thinking instead of reality.
Duncan has a far more impressive resume than Steph does, and LeBron done passed Duncan two titles ago. It didn't matter that Duncan had 5 titles and Bron just 2, virtually everyone had LeBron ahead of Duncan and by 2016 it was literally everyone while it was still 5 titles to 3.
Let's say Steph gets two more titles and balls out in the process, picking up two Finals MVPs. Then he breaks into the Duncan discussion. In accolades Duncan would still be ahead (same MVPs, more Finals MVPs, more All-Defensive teams, more All-NBA and All-Star teams), but Steph would be legitimately in the discussion. Unfortunately Steph never carried his team to the same extent Duncan did because Steph was a weakness on the defensive side of the ball while Duncan absolutely carried his early title squads on both sides of the ball. Even on the offensive sides Steph had playoff weaknesses, no absolutely striking playoff run where he looked like an all-time GOAT. So Duncan probably still gets the nod.
And that's Duncan. He'd need binoculars to see Bron. No one is going to put Steph top-2 all-time, supplanting Bron and KAJ, just because he finally got his first or second Finals MVPs on a team good enough he could spend the first two playoff rounds coming off the bench.
03 is held up as this vaunted "carry job" but everyone ignores Dirk Nowitzki and Chris Webber getting hurt, and the Lakers being injured that year. Aside from that, Duncan doesn't really have any strong playoff run either. By 2013-2014, that was a full on ensemble, Duncan wasn't really head and shoulders above everyone else. He had a lot of offensive and defensive support at different stages.
Lastly, it's interesting you bring up Curry's offensive flaws, but you ignore how much he masks his own teammates defenses. He masks Draymond's inability to score/shoot, and makes Draymond look like a better passer/playmaker than he is. He also masks Klay Thompson's lack of a handle, as Klay gets free reign to get into a rhythm by chucking it or posting up against some small defender instead of being relegated to a corner 3pt shooter.
I think there's a chance. It'll make people reevaluate history a little bit.
People are only now realizing Draymond and Klays flaws (some are saying Klay is washed, but still), and everyone knows Wiggins was the worst all-star starter ever, at this point. So it will be impressive that Curry at age 34-35 can get this squad to a Finals, as where Bron... partly due to his playstyle... has had to frequently blow up teams for the past decade.
Peesonally, I just hope for more variety from these top 10 lists as well. I'm tired of the generic MJ, lebron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Russell, Kobe Shaq Duncan Hakeem type lists. The criteria is all over the place, and some of those players see not scrutinized as much as they should be.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
3.07 dribbles PER TOUCH. How many touches per game does he have per game? Then multiply that by 3.07. That's the relevant stat. How little basketball have you watched to really be insinuating the Lakers had better offensive movement and fluidity this year than the Warriors
And regardless of all that, the hell the Warriors would be doing jeopardizing their future for one or two years of a close to 40 years old Bron
Steph doesn't have to surpass lebron - but its still a better look to go after more championships - without dude on his team. The top dogs are not welcoming this dude so he can tryin stack a few more titles on his way out the door.. Philly might entertain it. But other than that - he gon have to hope for a healthy AD, n gettin off Russ contract/ bringing back 2 solid role players, and convince ring chasing vets to join him on cheap deals, like he always has. Good luck
Breh all that shyt applies 100x to Curry.
Curry has ZERO Finals MVPs, nothing but so-so Finals appearances, is part of the '16 collapse which is MUCH more notorious than Duncan's '13 loss, and the injuries to opponents during his big "no Durant" run (or even this year's run) were way worse than '03 Duncan.
Curry had a lot of offensive and defensive support for every playoff run. In the years where Curry had to carry the team to the extend Duncan did early, the team didn't even get past the first round.
Like I pointed out, Curry still ain't on Duncan's level. And you're talking him passing LeBron? smh
No. He doesn't come near LeBron in statistics or accolades. Plus, LeBron was much more dominant over a longer period of time.
It's a gap between the top 3 players oat and everyone else. You'd essentially need to be dominant from the day you stepped in the league AND be near your peak for a decade in order to warrant even being in the discussion, and that's not counting rings and other awards.
Steph doesn't have enough time.
'99, '03, and '05 were all dominant playoff runs. You're probably distracted on the box score by Duncan's runs coming in that brief window where NBA ball was the absolute slowest its ever been, and because most of Duncan's defensive contribution doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But in those three years Duncan was absolutely carrying the team all the way through the playoffs on both sides of the ball in a manner that Curry has never done, and overcoming some big-time opponents who should have had the advantage (like the Shaq-Kobe Lakers or the defending champ Pistons) in the process.
'99 in the WCSF he tore apart the Shaq-Kobe Lakers to the tune of 29-11-3 and 2 blocks a game in a series where Sean Elliott was his #2 scorer and some of their wins were in the 70s or 80s. Then he dismantled the Knicks in the Finals with 27-14-2 and 2 blocks/game. In the last two games of that series he put up 28-18-3 and 3 blocks, then a 31-9-2 elimination game that they won just 78-77.
'03 he had the 28-12-5 series in upsetting the defending champ Shaq-Kobe Lakers, then 28-17-6 and 3 blocks a game taking down Dirk's Mavs, then a ridiculous 24-17-5 and FIVE blocks a game in the Finals. In the Game 6 close-out game he put up 21-20-10 with 8 blocks in an 88-77 win, leading all players on the court in all of those categories.
Steph has never had a single playoff run that measures up to the 2-way dominance that Duncan showed in '99 and '03. Not to mention Duncan's numerous other dominant series like 27-17-4 and 2 blocks/game against the '01 mavs, 26-11-6 and 6 blocks/game against the '02 Sonics, 29-17-5 and 3 blocks/game against the '02 Lakers, 32-12-4 and 3 blocks/game against the '06 Mavs (the series that ended with Duncan's 41-15-6 and 3 blocks Game 7 failed to win the series only due to Manu's unfortunate foul), 27-14-1 and 4 blocks/game against the '07 Suns.
If Steph wins two more titles with dominant performances in the process and finally gets his Finals MVPs, then he'll be in Duncan territory. He's not there yet.
DJ Paul's Arm
Veteran
Man hell nah! We don’t need that cancer on our team. Ol’ my way or the highway having ass nikka. Go back to Cleveland, pull their strings to draft Bronny, have your dream of playing with your son for a year, then GTFOH
Peruvian Connect
Superstar
What do you consider dominant? Stats or rings? LeBron was diickrode since day one he sure as hell wasn't dominating.
beenz
Rap Guerilla
it the warriors are contending without him, why even bother, cuz everyone knows when u get lebron, he's gonna wanna have full control of everything else, especially personnel decisions.