Should Golden State Trade for LeBron James this Summer?

KidJSoul

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Breh my point is that you're slightly overrating Duncan's accomplishments, and undervaluing Curry.

I was trying to get that across
Your hypocrisy is incredible. In '99 you completely ignored Duncan leading his team to a #1 seed and sweeping the Lakers and Blazers immediately before their classic '00 WCF matchup. And you bytch about the Knicks missing Ewing, while at the same time you're ignoring the Warriors benefited in '15 from KD hurt on the Warriors, CP3 and Blake hurt on the Clippers, Conley and Tony Allen hurt on the Grizzlies, and Kyrie/Love hurt on the Cavs.

Claiming "those teams were not championship teams on paper" - but the '99-'03 Spurs were title teams on paper? 2015-16 Warriors were good enough to beat the Rockets and Blazers and reach the WCF without Curry even available. 1999-2003 Spurs wouldn't have made the fukking playoffs without Duncan. 2015-16 Warriors even leaving Curry out still had multiple all-stars, multiple all-NBA, multiple All-Defensive...while the 1999 Spurs only had an aging Robinson and the 2003 Spurs had NOTHING but role players outside of TD.

2003 Spurs won 60 games and the title with a 20yo Tony Parker and Stephen Jackson as their #2 and #3.....but you think a Curry-Klay-Draymond-Iggy-Barnes-Livingston-Bogut squad "wasn't a title team on paper".

Come on now.





Not only would '16 Bron-Klay-Draymond-Iggy-Barnes-Livingston-Bogut burn down stadiums and salt the land they lay on, they would have fukking swept the Steph-Kyrie-Love Cavs without even sweating the games.

Also, dude, if LeBron had that roster, Draymond and Bogut would NOT be a good fit next to him. Curry gives you more flexibility with roster building
 

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If I'm the Lakers I entertain the idea.

Not saying yes... But I entertain it. Surprised LeBron doesn't have a no trade clause
He had a de facto no trade clause. He’s LeBron James. Not to mention, the Lakers ain’t willing lot trading him when he’s about to break the all time scoring record. They want that celebration to happen in a purple and gold jersey.
 

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No, I do think Bron want's to get traded though that's why all of his mouth pieces in the media are discussing it.
 

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Breh my point is that you're slightly overrating Duncan's accomplishments, and undervaluing Curry.

Still not seeing how that's true when every argument you have against Duncan is 3x worse for Curry.

Look, straight up Curry has never had a postseason like Duncan's '99 or '03. He's always been part of an elite ensemble, he's never had to completely carry the team on both ends like Duncan did (fukk, he's barely even carried the team on one end considering how elite his offensive help has been). Curry would have to do that TWICE to match Duncan's peak accomplishment, and he still wouldn't be touching Duncan's career accolades.

I still haven't seen you make an actual 1-to-1 comparison that shows how Curry surpasses Duncan. You've tried to diminish Duncan, but the arguments are useless when they don't involve a comparison with Curry.




Curry gives you more flexibility with roster building

There's zero evidence of that. Bron has won 4 titles with 3 completely different rosters that had little in common with each other. He even played 3 different positions in the process. And he's gone to the Finals 10 times with half-a-dozen different rosters.

rookie Boobie, washed Bibby, Chalmers, Delly, Kyrie, Hill, or Rondo at PG....or Bron plays point himself
Sasha, Wade, Shumpert, J.R., or Danny Green at SG
Bron at SF.....or he has someone like Jefferson or KCP there
Gooden, Bosh, Battier, Rashard, T.T., Love, or A.D. at PF....or Bron plays PF himself
Iglauskas, Joel Anthony, Bosh, Birdman, Mosgov, T.T., or Dwight at Centter

Those lineups have nothing in common. There isn't a single element that Bron "needs" to have on his team to make a Finals. It is total flexibility because Bron can take on virtually any role for the squad.

Whereas Curry has only had success with basically 1 squad with the exact same construction, just a question of whether it was Barnes or KD at the forward spot. Curry can't be your rim protector. He can't be your rebounder. He can't be your perimeter defender. He's not going to pound the ball inside. He's going to be your shooter and part-time facilitator along with a defensive liability and you're gonna need someone else to do everything else.



Also, dude, if LeBron had that roster, Draymond and Bogut would NOT be a good fit next to him.

Ridiculous thing to say when Bron's actual frontcourt that year was the same but worse. Draymond + Bogut >>>> TT + Mosgov.

I'll point out again - Bron, Klay, Iggy, Draymond, Livingston as a starting lineup (with Barnes and Bogut off the bench) is a lineup that would fukking destroy teams.

* Better defensive squad that Bron has ever had and he'd fit perfectly within their defensive scheme.
* Shooting across the court
* Multiple secondary playmakers

Seriously, what do you think would happen if you switch Bron and Curry in 2015, 2016, 2017, or 2018? Do you imagine for a second that the Bron-led Warriors wouldn't demolish the Curry-led Cavs?
 

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I don't think Nunn would have made a huge impact but he would have improved the team as, by default, practically anyone would have been better than Russell Westbrook last season.

Yup. And even if Westbrook was on the court, Nunn would have been a better option next to him than the Avery Bradley experiment who somehow started 45 games last year while being a complete liability on both ends.
 

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Still not seeing how that's true when every argument you have against Duncan is 3x worse for Curry.

Look, straight up Curry has never had a postseason like Duncan's '99 or '03. He's always been part of an elite ensemble, he's never had to completely carry the team on both ends like Duncan did (fukk, he's barely even carried the team on one end considering how elite his offensive help has been). Curry would have to do that TWICE to match Duncan's peak accomplishment, and he still wouldn't be touching Duncan's career accolades.

I still haven't seen you make an actual 1-to-1 comparison that shows how Curry surpasses Duncan. You've tried to diminish Duncan, but the arguments are useless when they don't involve a comparison with Curry.






There's zero evidence of that. Bron has won 4 titles with 3 completely different rosters that had little in common with each other. He even played 3 different positions in the process. And he's gone to the Finals 10 times with half-a-dozen different rosters.

rookie Boobie, washed Bibby, Chalmers, Delly, Kyrie, Hill, or Rondo at PG....or Bron plays point himself
Sasha, Wade, Shumpert, J.R., or Danny Green at SG
Bron at SF.....or he has someone like Jefferson or KCP there
Gooden, Bosh, Battier, Rashard, T.T., Love, or A.D. at PF....or Bron plays PF himself
Iglauskas, Joel Anthony, Bosh, Birdman, Mosgov, T.T., or Dwight at Centter

Those lineups have nothing in common. There isn't a single element that Bron "needs" to have on his team to make a Finals. It is total flexibility because Bron can take on virtually any role for the squad.

Whereas Curry has only had success with basically 1 squad with the exact same construction, just a question of whether it was Barnes or KD at the forward spot. Curry can't be your rim protector. He can't be your rebounder. He can't be your perimeter defender. He's not going to pound the ball inside. He's going to be your shooter and part-time facilitator along with a defensive liability and you're gonna need someone else to do everything else.





Ridiculous thing to say when Bron's actual frontcourt that year was the same but worse. Draymond + Bogut >>>> TT + Mosgov.

I'll point out again - Bron, Klay, Iggy, Draymond, Livingston as a starting lineup (with Barnes and Bogut off the bench) is a lineup that would fukking destroy teams.

* Better defensive squad that Bron has ever had and he'd fit perfectly within their defensive scheme.
* Shooting across the court
* Multiple secondary playmakers

Seriously, what do you think would happen if you switch Bron and Curry in 2015, 2016, 2017, or 2018? Do you imagine for a second that the Bron-led Warriors wouldn't demolish the Curry-led Cavs?

My point is that your claim that Curry has always had "an elite ensemble" is false, and the claim that "he's barely carried the team on one end (offense)" is absolutely RIDICULOUS.

Draymond's whole offensive game is a product of Curry.

Even he admits it himself.
Amid Stephen Curry Revolution, Draymond Green Blossoming into NBA Superstar

Draymond's playmaking is reliant on Curry (and Klay to a lesser extent).

Klay Thompson is a great 3&D, but the fact is he's not getting the looks and the opportunity to get into a rhythm with most other superstars. Klay gets a lot of touches and rein that most 3&D guys don't get.

Like cmon how can you even ssy hrs barely carried them on offense? Even the analytics/plus minus shyt shows the impact he has had on their offense.

And breh, you hyping up Barnes now :dead: mofo has done nothing in his career since leaving Golden State


Lebron has had many different lineups with "nothing in common". Breh I'm not some Bron hater but it's well acknowledged that LeBron is a janky fit. Even this year, Lakers fans will tell you that LeBron was part of the problem with the lack of ball movement on offense. His playstyle has a tendency to be heliocentric at times (not to the extent of Harden or Luka of course).



And dude, Curry + Love Pick n roll and floor spacing with Kyrie would be lethal offensively. They would not be demolished if healthy. Defensively they wouldn't be good, but they'd be good enough to get out of the east, and take games off lebron and the warriors. They would obviously need to add a defensive wing though
 

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Draymond's whole offensive game is a product of Curry.
Klay gets a lot of touches and rein that most 3&D guys don't get.

Yet in the 2016 playoffs when Curry was out for 7 games, Klay and Draymond were both even better on offense than they were when they played with Curry. Which destroys your point.

Dray: 19-11-7 shooting 51% fg / 43% 3pt
Klay: 29-4-3 shooting 47% fg / 46% 3pt

Yeah man, those guys are ass without Steph there. :skip:



Klay Thompson is a great 3&D, but the fact is he's not getting the looks and the opportunity to get into a rhythm with most other superstars.

This is a total lie. Going by average defender distance Klay is consistently one of the top-2 most closely guarded players in the entire NBA.




Like cmon how can you even ssy hrs barely carried them on offense? Even the analytics/plus minus shyt shows the impact he has had on their offense.

For two of their titles he CLEARLY did not carry them on offense. With KD and Klay both there it was a very balanced offense. I'd argue Curry was the most important part of the offense, but you can't claim he "carried" a team that had another all-time GOAT scorer in his prime AND one of the greatest shooters ever as the 3rd option. Both postseasons he scored just 23% of his team's points, both years not even being the #1 scorer on his own team, compared to Bron who scored 28% and 33% of his team's points those same two years.

So the only title he could even be considered to "carry" them offensively was 2015, and during the regular season he only scored 21.8% of Golden State's points and was barely even the leading scorer (24ppg for Curry to 22ppg for Klay). Of course he was still far and away the #1 most important offensive player, but being the clear #1 is not enough to claim you "carried" a team. In the 2015 postseason he was a more meaningful 26.9% of the team's scoring, but that's still just matching Duncan's '99 and '03 percentages while Duncan was FAR more important to his team's defense.




And breh, you hyping up Barnes now :dead: mofo has done nothing in his career since leaving Golden State

Why are you lying? I didn't "hype up Barnes" anywhere. :gucci:




Lebron has had many different lineups with "nothing in common". Breh I'm not some Bron hater but it's well acknowledged that LeBron is a janky fit.

No evidence whatsoever, just the "Hey, some haters say so it must be true!" argument.

Bron has succeeded with ball-dominant players like Wade and Kyrie, and with zero playmakers in the starting lineup like 2020. Bron has succeeded with a prime big like AD, and with a completely weak frontcourt like 2016. Bron has made the Finals with 3pt shooters all over the place like 2017, and with no 3pt shooters in the starting lineup at all like 2011. He's dominated the offense like in 2007 and 2018, or been part of a loose motion offense playing off-ball all the time like in 2013.

I have exact receipts for LeBron finding success in many different lineups and schemes. You have...."some people say".



And dude, Curry + Love Pick n roll and floor spacing with Kyrie would be lethal offensively. They would not be demolished if healthy. Defensively they wouldn't be good, but they'd be good enough to get out of the east, and take games off lebron and the warriors. They would obviously need to add a defensive wing though

:mjlol:

Love isn't any good on the pick-and-roll when teams are actually playing defense because he can't elevate for shyt and is a poor finisher, while Curry is a mediocre passer on the pick-and-roll because he's not a natural PG and commits a ton of turnovers when passing into tight spaces. They'd be running the pick-and-pop more often than the pick-and-roll, only they'd have to deal with defenders just trapping Curry more often than not because they ain't gonna respect Love like that unless he's behind the 3pt line and even then they'll have time to recover.

Meanwhile that team would be ASS on defense. Not just the horrific guard defense and Love being a huge liability, but their rim protection would be mediocre at best considering all the guys who would be blitzing past Kyrie/Curry/Love defense all game. You really think you can trust TT to clean all that up without Bron lurking like he did in the '16 Finals?

The Bron-Klay-Iggy-Draymond-Livingston-Barnes-Bogut squad would be elite offensively AND defensively. There's no comparison.
 
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Yet in the 2016 playoffs when Curry was out for 7 games, Klay and Draymond were both even better on offense than they were when they played with Curry. Which destroys your point.

Dray: 19-11-7 shooting 51% fg / 43% 3pt
Klay: 29-4-3 shooting 47% fg / 46% 3pt

Yeah man, those guys are ass without Steph there. :skip:





This is a total lie. Going by average defender distance Klay is consistently one of the top-2 most closely guarded players in the entire NBA.






For two of their titles he CLEARLY did not carry them on offense. With KD and Klay both there it was a very balanced offense. I'd argue Curry was the most important part of the offense, but you can't claim he "carried" a team that had another all-time GOAT scorer in his prime AND one of the greatest shooters ever as the 3rd option. Both postseasons he scored just 23% of his team's points, both years not even being the #1 scorer on his own team, compared to Bron who scored 28% and 33% of his team's points those same two years.

So the only title he could even be considered to "carry" them offensively was 2015, and during the regular season he only scored 21.8% of Golden State's points and was barely even the leading scorer (24ppg for Curry to 22ppg for Klay). Of course he was still far and away the #1 most important offensive player, but being the clear #1 is not enough to claim you "carried" a team. In the 2015 postseason he was a more meaningful 26.9% of the team's scoring, but that's still just matching Duncan's '99 and '03 percentages while Duncan was FAR more important to his team's defense.






Why are you lying? I didn't "hype up Barnes" anywhere. :gucci:






No evidence whatsoever, just the "Hey, some haters say so it must be true!" argument.

Bron has succeeded with ball-dominant players like Wade and Kyrie, and with zero playmakers in the starting lineup like 2020. Bron has succeeded with a prime big like AD, and with a completely weak frontcourt like 2016. Bron has made the Finals with 3pt shooters all over the place like 2017, and with no 3pt shooters in the starting lineup at all like 2011. He's dominated the offense like in 2007 and 2018, or been part of a loose motion offense playing off-ball all the time like in 2013.

I have exact receipts for LeBron finding success in many different lineups and schemes. You have...."some people say".





:mjlol:

Love isn't any good on the pick-and-roll when teams are actually playing defense because he can't elevate for shyt and is a poor finisher, while Curry is a mediocre passer on the pick-and-roll because he's not a natural PG and commits a ton of turnovers when passing into tight spaces. They'd be running the pick-and-pop more often than the pick-and-roll, only they'd have to deal with defenders just trapping Curry more often than not because they ain't gonna respect Love like that unless he's behind the 3pt line and even then they'll have time to recover.

Meanwhile that team would be ASS on defense. Not just the horrific guard defense and Love being a huge liability, but their rim protection would be mediocre at best considering all the guys who would be blitzing past Kyrie/Curry/Love defense all game. You really think you can trust TT to clean all that up without Bron lurking like he did in the '16 Finals?

The Bron-Klay-Iggy-Draymond-Livingston-Barnes-Bogut squad would be elite offensively AND defensively. There's no comparison.
2016 playoffs is a limited sample size.

I didn't say Klay got wide open looks, I said he got looks and opportunities to get into a rhythm other 3&Ds don't have. Others are relegated to purely catch and shoot.

(Were not focusing on the KD years, I'm talking about 2015-2016)

Using percentage of points scored shouldn't be your only metric to judge carrying an offense, you know that.

I'll give you kyrie (although kryie still hated playing with Bron... but that doesn't matter though since they were still productive do I'll give you that).

I never said Bron can't be versatile at all.

The heat were their most productive in 2013 when Bron played more off ball and the ball movement was emphasized. It was his best shooting season. So this is an example of Bron being able to play with a different style.

I'm not saying Lebron isn't flexible at all. Or that he can't play with a variety of guys. My point is that he isn't that flexible as you would like. There's a reason why he tried to get Spoelstra fired, and why Spoelstra and Riley felt some type of way upon his exit.

Love, AD, Bosh, etc. Are all floor spacing power forwards. Anthony Davis is basically a 6'10 shooting guard. He hates playing in the paint downlow, and a lot of his points are assisted. Can you put a traditional big around LeBron, whose a starter, in his prime, and have them be dominant?

Again, Draymond Green would not be a major starter if he didn't play with Curry. Klay would be viewed as a regular 3&D guy if it were not for Curry.

You can disagree, but their reputations have a LARGE gap without Curry, more than anyone LeBron has played with. The only player who's reputation is dramatically worse without LeBron is Kyrie, since we overhyped him too much. Kyrie would be nothing without LeBron, and I've always said that kyrie is overrated and that LeBron made his career. But aside from that, we wouldn't be th I nuking that differently of Bosh, Wade, Love, etc. Outside of LeBron.
 

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We're 2 more Warrior Ls away from the Bron to Golden State fukkery commencing.
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