Should The Death Penalty Be ABOLISHED In The United States?

[SirReginald]

It's barbaric and innocent people have died from it.

Why or why shouldn't it be abolished?




Race of Death Row Inmates Executed Since 1976 | Death Penalty Information Center

 

[ba'al]

It's barbaric and innocent people have died from it.

Why or why shouldn't it be abolished?

No and haven't you made this thread before?

 

[SirReginald]

I voted yes. shyt has disproportionately targeted Blacks.

 

[SirReginald]

No and haven't you made this thread before?

Similar thread, but it's being discussed more now. Also, this is a redux. I also made one that went plat on private prisons.

 

[AlainLocke]

Death penalty is stupid....

Prison is stupid...

Both should be abolished because it's stupid....

 

[ba'al]

Similar thread, but it's being discussed more now. Also, this is a redux. I also made one that went plat on private prisons.

So yes?

Death penalty is stupid....

Prison is stupid...

Both should be abolished because it's stupid....

So what should the alternative be?

 

[SirReginald]

Death penalty is stupid....

Prison is stupid...

Both should be abolished because it's stupid....

So, we should move into more of a Scandinavian model?

 

[the cac mamba]

i believe in the death penalty, but the government cant be trusted to carry it out. i would be fine with abolishing it

but like this dude should get the death penalty

and he didnt even get it

 

[SirReginald]

So yes?

So what should the alternative be?

Correct.


Alternative should be more investments in mental health facilities and rehabilitation. I can deal with life in prison with rehabilitating. Look at countries with progressive rehabilitation policies. The recidivism rates are low and those ex cons become productive in society.

 

[AlainLocke]

So what should the alternative be?

The rate of crime and crime in general is a signal of societal failure....

It means your country is shytty....

So because your country is shytty...you throw people in a shyttier place called prison where people are raped and murdered and beaten on a daily basis and then you expect them to come out to be better people....

And the desire to punish is also stupid. The desire to punish leads to violence, violence creates shyttier human beings. Literally. Like you take someone and beat them for 20 years and they'll be dumber and less able to reason and etc.

So when people do bad things to us and then we punish them...we are just making them more prone to do bad things...just so we can feel better about having bad things done to us...

Unless they are a damn axe murderer or serial child rapist or whatever where you can't really do anything to fix them because they are demented and there is neurologically something wrong with them. Yeah those people you kinda have just put away from society. Lock them up and don't let them out because they are too far gone.

Everyone else though... We should take them and put them a nice, safe, secure environment. Should be given the opportunity to do nice pleasant things...like have walks in the park or learn an instrument or go to school....or paint...

You know shyt they probably couldn't do while they are out in society in their shytty living conditions.

Instead of asking them..."Why did yo have to sell drugs" or "Rob this bank..." or "Steal this car..."

Should ask them..."What do you want to do with your life?" or "What makes you happy..." or "How can we help you..."

Then you develop their personality and character and when they are finally objectively better human beings...you release them into society and nobody should know what they did. Should be given new living quarters and should be checked on monthly by government authorities on their progress back into wider society.

The prison model we currently have is based on God and Divine Punishment...where when you fukk up you supposed to go to a terrible place and be humbled...and that just doesn't work...

So, we should move into more of a Scandinavian model?

Welll yeah...Scandinavians do everything better because they aren't as simple-minded and bloodthirsty as Americans....

 

[SirReginald]

The rate of crime and crime in general is a signal of societal failure....

It means your country is shytty....

So because your country is shytty...you throw people in a shyttier place called prison where people are raped and murdered and beaten on a daily basis and then you expect them to come out to be better people....

And the desire to punish is also stupid. The desire to punish leads to violence, violence creates shyttier human beings. Literally. Like you take someone and beat them for 20 years and they'll be dumber and less able to reason and etc.

So when people do bad things to us and then we punish them...we are just making them more prone to do bad things...just so we can feel better about having bad things done to us...

Unless they are a damn axe murderer or serial child rapist or whatever where you can't really do anything to fix them because they are demented and there is neurologically something wrong with them. Yeah those people you kinda have just put away from society. Lock them up and don't let them out because they are too far gone.

Everyone else though... We should take them and put them a nice, safe, secure environment. Should be given the opportunity to do nice pleasant things...like have walks in the park or learn an instrument or go to school....or paint...

You know shyt they probably couldn't do while they are out in society in their shytty living conditions.

Instead of asking them..."Why did yo have to sell drugs" or "Rob this bank..." or "Steal this car..."

Should ask them..."What do you want to do with your life?" or "What makes you happy..." or "How can we help you..."

Then you develop their personality and character and when they are finally objectively better human beings...you release them into society and nobody should know what they did. Should be given new living quarters and should be checked on monthly by government authorities on their progress back into wider society.

The prison model we currently have is based on God and Divine Punishment...where when you fukk up you supposed to go to a terrible place and be humbled...and that just doesn't work...



Welll yeah...Scandinavians do everything better because they aren't as simple-minded and bloodthirsty as Americans....

I like this post.

 

[Worthless Loser]

No, but hearing stories like this is why it's hard for me to believe the existence of "god". How can "god" let innocent people be tortured like this?

 

[AlainLocke]

Why Scandinavian Prisons Are Superior
'Open' prisons, in which detainees are allowed to live like regular citizens, should be a model for the U.S.

Why Scandinavian Prisons Are Superior


Suomenlinna Island has hosted an “open” prison since 1971. The 95 male prisoners leave the prison grounds each day to do the township’s general maintenance or commute to the mainland for work or study. Serving time for theft, drug trafficking, assault, or murder, all the men here are on the verge of release. Cellblocks look like dorms at a state university. Though worse for wear, rooms feature flat-screen TVs, sound systems, and mini-refrigerators for the prisoners who can afford to rent them for prison-labor wages of 4.10 to 7.3 Euros per hour ($5.30 to $9.50). With electronic monitoring, prisoners are allowed to spend time with their families in Helsinki. Men here enjoy a screened barbecue pit, a gym, and a dining hall where prisoners and staff eat together. Prisoners throughout Scandinavia wear their own clothes. Officers wear navy slacks, powder-blue shirts, nametags and shoulder bars; but they carry no batons, handcuffs, Tasers or pepper-spray. The assistant warden who has led Linda and me around, Timo, looks like a wizened roadie: graying beard, black vest and jeans, red shirt, biker boots, and a taste for slim cigars.

One might wonder just where is the “prison” part of this Scandinavian open prison. Where are the impenetrable barriers? The punishing conditions that satisfy an American sense of justice?

First, an important caveat: Nordic prisons are not all open facilities. Closed prisons here date to the mid-19th century, copied from Philadelphia’s Eastern State, or New York’s Auburn, back when those prisons represented models of humane treatment. To an American eye, these prisons look like prisons: 10-meter walls, cameras, steel doors. I’ve heard men describe Scandinavian closed-prison conditions in ways that echo those of the American prison where I have led a writing workshop since 2006: officials intent on making life onerous, long hours in lockup, arbitrarily enforced rules.

Yet inside the four high-security prisons I’ve visited in Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland, common areas included table tennis, pool tables, steel darts, and aquariums. Prisoner art ornamented walls painted in mild greens and browns and blues. But the most profound difference is that correctional officers fill both rehabilitative and security roles. Each prisoner has a “contact officer” who monitors and helps advance progress toward return to the world outside—a practice introduced to help officers avoid the damage experienced by performing purely punitive functions: stress, hypertension, alcoholism, suicide, and other job-related hazards that today plague American corrections officers, who have an average life expectancy of 59.

This is all possible because, throughout Scandinavia, criminal justice policy rarely enters political debate. Decisions about best practices are left to professionals in the field, who are often published criminologists and consult closely with academics. Sustaining the barrier between populist politics and results-based prison policy are media that don’t sensationalize crime—if they report it at all. And all of this takes place in nations with established histories of consensual politics, relatively small and homogenous populations, and the best social service networks in the world, including the best public education. Standing outside a Nordic closed prison, the American son would have felt perfectly at ease. But inside, northern Europe’s closed facilities operate along the lines of humanism that American prisons abandoned early, under a host of pressures -- such as overcrowding, the push to make prisons profitable by contracting out collective labor, the use of unpaid prisoners as private farmhands, and, since 1973, the rise of an $80 billion mass incarceration industry. There is also the matter of scale. The prison population of Sweden (6,900) is less than half the population of Rikers Island at its height (14,000). Several prisons in the U.S. each hold nearly twice the prison population of Finland. This is not simply the difference between large and much smaller countries. U.S. incarceration rates are the highest in the world, about 10 times those throughout Scandinavia, which are among the world’s lowest.

 

[generic-username]

Hell no. Some people deserve to be removed from this Earth

 

[SirReginald]

Hell no. Some people deserve to be removed from this Earth

So, the state should have the power to take a life? I line up with the Libertarian philosophy on this one.