Should we acknowledge that CM Punk's accomplishments and 'trailblazing' is being erased because.....

[R=G]

I think that's a fair assessment to make.

Punk in many ways was even less protected than Bryan was, maybe because Bryan backstage was a more likeable personality - that is a possibility. Both guys you could say were legitimately held back from being the stars they possibly could have been, and Punk preceded Bryan in that fact. I think both men would agree with that. I think it is also telling that Punk - even in his embittered current POV of wrestling - seemed to express the utmost joy that Bryan got his Wrestemania moment, even if it possibly came to an extent at the expense of Punk himself.

Wtf

 

[R=G]

Ah cmon breh, I'm a casual fan and even I know CM Punk "broke down," those doors

Dude just announced his retirement, can't ya give him a little break? Of course people are gonna be calling him the best there ever was, wrestling fans are pretty, pretty, pretty emotional

Spoiler

I never even liked either of 'em, give me 7 foot monster libertarians like Kane running rampant in giant steel cages

Even at Punk's height, when was he better than Danielson in the ring? Dudes were clowning Punk all the time for Metro and Blandy...now that a much more beloved guy retired because actually bled for the business, Punk is Macho Man from WM 3 level? Preposterous.

 

[Silkk]

I dont know breh.... I disagree.... from how they acted on Raw and the tweets they showing its seems like Punk dont even exist.

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Of course, you didn't hear the podcast?

 

[Silkk]

You don't have to shyt on one to big up the other

 

[R=G]

...what? Was Roman Reigns WWE champ for 8 months and I missed it somehow? And what do guys like Adam Rose, Tyler Breeze, and the Wyatts have to do with CM Punk/Daniel Bryan being undersized indie dudes or with Roman Reigns?

What do they have to do with it? They are NXT guys who didn't mean $hit on the roster and who are these magical signings that are turning the world upside down in the WWE today? LOL. CM Punk led to that? The guy that spat in their face in the end and embarrassed them on the Nth level?

 

[R=G]

You don't have to shyt on one to big up the other

And you don't have to act like Eddie and Rey aren't the reason for all of this $hit in the first place..Benoit was a undersized guy winning the main event of WM XX and they saying Punk was the nygga that got this cracking? WTF is going on around here? HAHAHAH..that 750 Splash gimmick posting is spreading I see.

CM Punk was the guy breaking the 4th wall and crying in Las Vegas and that sissified level of verbiage was accepted as good and legit by the PG Era of fans. They still think that $hit was Jake the Snake level to this very day

 

[R=G]

lets look at who got the biggest pushes ever in the history of wwe and see if they were big guys for their era:

• Bruno - yes
• backlund - no
• andre - yes
  
• hogan - yes
• savage - no
• sid - yes
• luger - yes
  
• hbk - no
• bret - no
• taker - yes
• kane - yes
• austin - i'd call him "par" but he wasn't a giant nor a small guy. he's the prototype wwe size IMO
• rock - yes
  
• hhh - yes
• Eddie - no
• crispin - no
  
• cena - yes
• batista - yes
  
• punk - no
• bryan - no
• Reigns - yes

so, realistically the people who got the BIGGEST pushes, were the biggest guys. but wwe hasn't ONLY pushed big guys

Left out Nash, kiddo

 

[R=G]

I don't think Punk is being overshadowed because of Bryan being perceived...well, let's be honest, being, a nicer, better guy. I think Punk is being left in the dark by fans because he left, is still really fukking bitter about the business and is an a$$hole so fans have turned on him.

To me, Punk's biggest contribution was being so confrontational and showing Vince a "vanilla midget/internet darling" could be an important player in WWE. Not as the ace of the company, but an important part of it. I do think Bryan gets signed by WWE regardless of what happened with Punk, BUT there's no way so many indy dudes get signed in the last few years without Punk being a pain in the ass and forcing people to realize that guys from his backround were worth a contract.

Having said that. People gotta realize that Bryan faced pretty much the same challenges as Punk, every big break D-Bry got was a combination of really good luck (I mean, the way he won the MITB and WHC is hilariously random ) and people just really liking him.

Punk said it Thanksgiving night..his run was a failure simply because he didn't main event WM, which means the Miz>Punk by his own logic formula. Media covering Bryan's career ending compared to how they were passe about the end of Punk's run speaks volumes. We got former Superbowl champions putting out Instagram and Tweets giving Bryan props after Monday. He was just a different level.

 

[Silkk]

And you don't have to act like Eddie and Rey aren't the reason for all of this $hit in the first place..Benoit was a undersized guy winning the main event of WM XX and they saying Punk was the nygga that got this cracking? WTF is going on around here? HAHAHAH..that 750 Splash gimmick posting is spreading I see.

CM Punk was the guy breaking the 4th wall and crying in Las Vegas and that sissified level of verbiage was accepted as good and legit by the PG Era of fans. They still think that $hit was Jake the Snake level to this very day

Eddie, Rey, & Benoit were all stars who had been wrestling in front of thousands of people for a global wrestling company for 10+ years before being signed.

Punk was the original "Indy guy" to come in & make serious noise. WWE didn't even believe in signing those type of wrestlers before then, which is why TNA was able to get so many of them.

The same fans you're trying to downplay are the same ones who got Daniel Bryan his WM30 match also.

 

[R=G]

I agree with the premise of the thread. Now that I think about it, was Punk ever given the same kind of credit that D Bry is getting now?

And I think that the OP should keep in mind, the way that Punk was forced out of wrestling might've had something to do with it. D Bry was able to retire on a good note, Punk's exit from wrestling wasn't as pleasant (A good portion of the IWC hated his guts)

Credit from who?

 

[richaveli83]

Left out Nash, kiddo

@Kevin_Nash

 

[23Barrettcity]

I think like vince, hbk began to be a believer after cm pubk and undertaker had their feud on smackdown.

But even then none of them really believed until the pipebomb and even then as much shyt as they give triple h about bryan we have legit evidence of trips holding back punk...has ttips ever pinned bryan clean one on one? Trips legit vame out of retirement, pinned punk after the pimp bomb, then went back in to retirement

Apparently hhh needed to be strong to face taker of course the only way to do that is by beating the hottest star.

Not only that they pick morrison who they mocked for potentislly being a cuckold and diss the guy who was fukking divas and dipping on all of them like the boys used to do

They found convenient rewsons to hate him and the logically stuff they could like him for they ignored
The only guy that was sober lost to regal whp got suspended for drugs after king kf the rkng

imagine if punk was given the mania main event and won clean over hhh , orton etc in one night , man would be cena levels popular

 

[R=G]

Eddie, Rey, & Benoit were all stars who had been wrestling in front of thousands of people for a global wrestling company for 10+ years before being signed.

Punk was the original "Indy guy" to come in & make serious noise. WWE didn't even believe in signing those type of wrestlers before then, which is why TNA was able to get so many of them.

The same fans you're trying to downplay are the same ones who got Daniel Bryan his WM30 match also.

Eddie used to work in small spots in TX long before the Japan and Mexico road traveling...same thing with Benoit in Canada. Rey was a exceptional stand out in Mexico at like 15..he was unheard of doing the kind of $hit he was doing.

Punk was given a good push from the get go in ECW and a undefeated streak. There was WCW or ECW..he was in ROH though. So I'm not sure why you're acting like he was groundbreaking for the industry? For who? Who has followed him that has counted?

 

[Silkk]

Eddie used to work in small spots in TX long before the Japan and Mexico road traveling...same thing with Benoit in Canada. Rey was a exceptional stand out in Mexico at like 15..he was unheard of doing the kind of $hit he was doing.

Punk was given a good push from the get go in WCW and a undefeated streak. There was WCW or ECW..he was in ROH though. So I'm not sure why you're acting like he was groundbreaking for the industry? For who? Who has followed him that has counted?

Doesn't change the fact they all were stars that came from a global wrestling promotion. Benoit was the damn WCW champion when he came in.

Im not even sure what you're saying in the 2nd paragraph.

 

[Golayitdown]

You don't have to shyt on one to big up the other

It gets to the point where you have to step back and really chill when you find yourself arguing with certain people.

Apparently hhh needed to be strong to face taker of course the only way to do that is by beating the hottest star.

imagine if punk was given the mania main event and won clean over hhh , orton etc in one night , man would be cena levels popular

Punk didn't need a HHH/Orton/Batista win to be Cena level popular. He just needed HHH to step aside (or not step in) and not get in the way. He was already as popular as Cena when he peaked