Should We Start With The Kids?

[sakano]

And try to instill good values in them.
It's nearly impossible to change adults. Adults are pretty much set in their ways. Yet, kids are very impressionable.


Other than better parenting, any ideas on how to do that? My first guess is that the schools would play a significant role

 

[Chris.B]

Schools should not be raising kids. They are there to teach academic knowledge.

You cannot run away from a strong family unit.

 

[sakano]

Some kids do want to be better than their families, but they don't know how

 

[no.]

Some kids do want to be better than their families, but they don't know how

I do agree that nothing substitutes good parents, but not all kids have them, sadly. And in those cases, alternate authority figures and rolemodels make a hell of a lot of difference. It isn't school's job to raise a kid, yeah, but it's better for a kid to be at school than out on the streets getting mixed up with all sorts of bad stuff. Public education in my country generally does nothing for kids from a poor background because well, they feel like school just ''isn't for them'' and the sad thing is that in a way they're right, the low quality of their education doesn't give them a lot of opportunities for success.

 

[LordFendiMane]

My girl is a teacher in a "hood" area and you would be saddened by what these kids know. She straight up told a few parents if they didn't tighten up their kid would be placed in special ed classes last year and they came back to her looking stupid because that's exactly what they did. The Hispanics and Korean kids with language barriers are performing better than our kids and actually want to learn.

 

[Chris.B]

My girl is a teacher in a "hood" area and you would be saddened by what these kids know. She straight up told a few parents if they didn't tighten up their kid would be placed in special ed classes last year and they came back to her looking stupid because that's exactly what they did. The Hispanics and Korean kids with language barriers are performing better than our kids and actually want to learn.

Yup.

In my engineering classes not one of the Asians could speak FLUENT English but they were topping the class all the time.
That's because they know their parents will hold them accountable if they fukk up.

Most black parents have checked out. Also some of the hood schools are not funded properly by the state.

 

[HollowPoints2]

Black folks need to have a collective understanding/agreement across the country on certain issues, even though we may not agree on everything,but there needs to be some uniformity on certain things.

For example: certain principles we teach our children.

I believe as a collective we must agree to teach our kids not only to love themselves but also the freedom fighters in our history like Harriet Tubman,Malcolm X, Marcus Garvey etc..If we can as a collective group across the country agree to teach our childrn certain standards, boundaries, disciplines, and acceptable behavior patterns,then it will be a lot easier for us to work together as a unified group in the future.

 

[sakano]

My girl is a teacher in a "hood" area and you would be saddened by what these kids know. She straight up told a few parents if they didn't tighten up their kid would be placed in special ed classes last year and they came back to her looking stupid because that's exactly what they did. The Hispanics and Korean kids with language barriers are performing better than our kids and actually want to learn.

But children are very impressionable. If you expose constantly to positive role models and good values, many will absorb that.

It's never too late to change a child's ways.

 

[Elle Driver]

Yup.

In my engineering classes not one of the Asians could speak FLUENT English but they were topping like class all the time.
That's because they know their parents will hold them accountable if they fukk up.

Most black parents have checked out. Also some of the hood schools are not funded properly by the state.

That's true. Unfortunately, black parents are more lax and aren't as rigid when it comes to grades and school performance.

 

[LeflaurLeflahEshkoshka]

And try to instill good values in them.
It's nearly impossible to change adults. Adults are pretty much set in their ways. Yet, kids are very impressionable.


Other than better parenting, any ideas on how to do that? My first guess is that the schools would play a significant role

1. The "traditional" family model should be promoted more. Obviously you can be "successful" if you come from a one parent household but two parent household has been proven to be more successful. Having an aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc. present is better than just one.

2. Community investment. Doesn't have to be huge you can start small. After school programs, clubs, church groups, music classes, sports, volunteering, etc. this promotes community involvement and develops relationships within communities. Also builds sense of pride and familiarity in one's neighborhood/community.

3. Early sex education and access to birth control. It should not be the norm to see 13-16 yr old girls walking around pregnant or have young dudes with multiple baby mamas.

4. Early childhood education is a major key. Some kids reach middle school/high school severely lacking in basics. Once it gets to that point it's very very hard to correct because the child is so far behind that a teacher cannot spend individual time bringing them up to speed often times because they're overwhelmed and don't have enough resources. The kid then gets put in remedial or special ed classes which leaves them even further behind because by that point they lose interest or become stigmatized.
If you are able to build. A strong foundation in the early formative years (Preschool) then the kid has a better chance overall. Math and Science is the where black students lag behind the most

5. Improve certain federal and state programs like the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). Especially helpful for single parent households who work many hours.

I know I wrote a lot but this was part of my thesis so i had it all in my head

 

[Data-Hawk]

And try to instill good values in them.
It's nearly impossible to change adults. Adults are pretty much set in their ways. Yet, kids are very impressionable.


Other than better parenting, any ideas on how to do that? My first guess is that the schools would play a significant role

But I believe this is the only way...... I'm telling you if more fathers were in the home. Our community would improve rapidly. As a father to a little boy, trust me when I say that they look up to you and a father probably has the biggest influence on a boy.

Yes, we'll help other kids out with a community effort. but to really get to the root of our issues. The dads need to be around.

 

[Raava]

It would have to be a community effort. Because whatever you did try to instill in the kid, would not be reinforced once they left school. Not only not reinforced but maybe even fought against. As sad as it sounds some families don't encourage betterment, they even mock it.

I really think mentoring is key for kids that come from that type of environment, after school programs for them to go in between school and bedtime. They need someone who will reinforce values that are taught in school and more like, like a safe haven for those types of ideas.

But you have people teaching now, don't care about children they just care about a paycheck. They aren't willing to put for the effort for a child that acts like they don't want to learn. These kids are getting worse and worse too.

 

[sakano]

Yet, there have been many teacher who've been able to turn children's lives around.

Rafe Esquith comes to mind

@bdizzle

 

[Family Man]

The parents are the problem.

 

[Milk N Cookies]

Start by teaching them morals, values, and whooping them when needed. Letting them know that all that garbage you see on tv & hear on the radio is not where it's at. Practice their school work with them so they understand and don't fall behind. Make up creative things to keep their minds going. Take them out & tell them about there heritage cause unless they go to an all black school the only time they will learn abput there people is in February.

Lemme tag kp, cause he'd have a lot to say in this topic at hand @kp404