Since 1987, an astonishing 52 rappers have been murdered, with only a handful of them solved.

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Now, if Hammer has a million seller album, and an AMA, and a Grammy? He has "three accomplishments".
If Vanilla Ice has a milllion seller album, and an AMA, but no Grammy, he has "two accomplishments".
In that case, it's not wrong to argue that MC Hammer is "more accomplished" than Vanilla Ice.

But none of those things have anything to do with respect within the Hip-Hop community so they don't count at all.

That's my point.

If you count what Vanilla Ice & Hammer do as "accomplishment" then you have to argue they're more accomplished than Rakim and Big Daddy Kane and them because none of those guys have the record sales or awards that they do. They're not. The only accomplishments that matter are those that come from within the culture.

Yes, record sales are nice, but they're not an accomplishment unless they come from within Hip-Hop.

Yes, an award is nice, but it's not an accomplishment unless it comes from within Hip-Hop culture.

Nothing Vanilla Ice or Hammer did was respected by Hip-Hop, therefore they're not accomplished, just like Iggy Azalea or Macklemore or Souljah Boy aren't accomplished.

None of those people are in anybody's top 10.

None of their records are considered classics.

Nothing those people have done has enriched the culture. That's why they don't count.

 

[Taadow]

But none of those things have anything to do with respect within the Hip-Hop community so they don't count at all.

That's my point.

...aaand my counterpoint to your point is, your point can't be true because rappers themselves (the ones making the hip-hop
music so a hip-hop community even exists) think that those things count. Those things count to them.

You go up to Erick and Parrish and tell them that Strictly Business going gold in 30 days doesn't count as an accomplishment.

If you count what Vanilla Ice & Hammer do as "accomplishment" then you have to argue they're more accomplished than Rakim and Big Daddy Kane and them

You absolutely don't "have to" do that.
These different artists have different accomplishments - they don't "have to" be compared to each other at all.
Each person can be given their props for their own accomplishments, and that can be that.

While we're at it - you don't even have to have a Top 10/20 Rappers list.

Nothing Vanilla Ice or Hammer did was respected by Hip-Hop, therefore they're not accomplished,

Both of these phrases are false.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

...aaand my counterpoint to your point is, your point can't be true because rappers themselves (the ones making the hip-hop
music so a hip-hop community even exists) think that those things count. Those things count to them.

You go up to Erick and Parrish and tell them that Strictly Business going gold in 30 days doesn't count as an accomplishment.



You absolutely don't "have to" do that.
These different artists have different accomplishments - they don't "have to" be compared to each other at all.
Each person can be given their props for their own accomplishments, and that can be that.

While we're at it - you don't even have to have a Top 10/20 Rappers list.



Both of these phrases are false.

AGAIN.

EPMD going gold in 1988 meant they were selling to a majority HIP-HOP audience.

Going gold in 2015 means you're selling to a majority NON-Hip-Hop audience.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

Going gold used to mean the hood respected you. Now it means that corporations are pushing you down everyone's throat.

What are you talking about people "don't have to be compared to each other at all"? What are you a woman or something? What kind of "everybody gets a trophy bullshyt is that?"

Hip-Hop was built on comparing Big Daddy Kane and Rakim, 2pac and Biggie, Nas and Jay. That's half of the fukking point. Are you not Black? Do you not hang out at Black barber shops?

Man.

The fact that you're arguing Vanilla Ice is "accomplished" within Hip-Hop inherently negates your argument, I'm sorry.

 

[Taadow]

AGAIN.

EPMD going gold in 1988 meant they were selling to a majority HIP-HOP audience.

LOL where's your data to back this up? You just pulled this out of your ass.

Going gold in 2015 means you're selling to a majority NON-Hip-Hop audience.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

My point in here was never time-based. I didn't say chit about 2015 versus other years or eras.
My point still stands. Whatever an artist has accomplished, they did it. You can't take that away.

What are you talking about people "don't have to be compared to each other at all"? What are you a woman or something? What kind of "everybody gets a trophy bullshyt is that?"
Hip-Hop was built on comparing Big Daddy Kane and Rakim, 2pac and Biggie, Nas and Jay. That's half of the fukking point.
Are you not Black? Do you not hang out at Black barber shops?

Look at all this indignation...for nothing.
Fact of the matter, is everybody isn't getting trophies!

Artists don't have to be compared. They don't. That's not in the hip-hop rulebook. Get the fucc out of here.

Nobody is gonna knock on your door and ask for you Top-20 rappers of all-time list. Nobody.

I rock a baldhead now, so I don't kick it at the Barbershop. When I did, we talked about what rappers/tapes
we was bumpin'. We didn't fight over who was better. Why? Because it didn't matter. People have different
opinions. I remember once there was a dude who said Macc James was the best rapper of all-time to him.

In real life, people (like myself) bump BDK AND Ra, Pac AND Biggie, Nas AND Jay - and we don't have
to have put down one of them to enjoy the other one. I'm sorry if you feel like you can't do the same.

Man.

The fact that you're arguing Vanilla Ice is "accomplished" within Hip-Hop inherently negates your argument, I'm sorry.

You said Vanilla Ice doesn't have a classic record. Nicca please.

"Ice Ice Baby" is a muthafuccin' classic record, I don't care who you are. You can't front on that chit.
Any muthafuccer that tries to say it ain't is out of his mind.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

LOL where's your data to back this up? You just pulled this out of your ass.



My point in here was never time-based. I didn't say chit about 2015 versus other years or eras.
My point still stands. Whatever an artist has accomplished, they did it. You can't take that away.



Look at all this indignation...for nothing.
Fact of the matter, is everybody isn't getting trophies!

Artists don't have to be compared. They don't. That's not in the hip-hop rulebook. Get the fucc out of here.

Nobody is gonna knock on your door and ask for you Top-20 rappers of all-time list. Nobody.

I rock a baldhead now, so I don't kick it at the Barbershop. When I did, we talked about what rappers/tapes
we was bumpin'. We didn't fight over who was better. Why? Because it didn't matter. People have different
opinions. I remember once there was a dude who said Macc James was the best rapper of all-time to him.

In real life, people (like myself) bump BDK AND Ra, Pac AND Biggie, Nas AND Jay - and we don't have
to have put down one of them to enjoy the other one. I'm sorry if you feel like you can't do the same.



You said Vanilla Ice doesn't have a classic record. Nicca please.

"Ice Ice Baby" is a muthafuccin' classic record, I don't care who you are. You can't front on that chit.
Any muthafuccer that tries to say it ain't is out of his mind.

Now, see I was trying to educate you on Hip-Hop culture and then you say this, which makes me now see that you are hopeless.

You're not from the hood, so there's no reason to try to reason with you at this point

 

[Taadow]

Now, see I was trying to educate you on Hip-Hop culture and then you say this, which makes me now see that you are hopeless.

You're not from the hood, so there's no reason to try to reason with you at this point

Muthafucca,

1. You weren't reasonable.
2. You can't teach me chit about hip-hop culture or the 'hood.
When "Ice Ice Baby" came out I was livin' in East L.A., and niccas was bumpin' that chit. It was large.
That song was (and still is) straight work. To say it ain't, you're lying to yourself.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Muthafucca,

1. You weren't reasonable.
2. You can't teach me chit about hip-hop culture or the 'hood.
When "Ice Ice Baby" came out I was livin' in East L.A., and niccas was bumpin' that chit. It was large.
That song was (and still is) straight work. To say it ain't, you're lying to yourself.

So you a Mexican?

Go to South Central and ask them motherfukkers if Vanilla Ice is an "accomplished" rapper with a "classic" record.

Please, all of us in Hip-Hop did everything we could to get rid of Hammer and Vanilla Ice and it sure as hell wasn't because they were making "classic records". We thought they were wack and bad for the culture.

Just look at how nikkaz talked about Vanilla Ice in '90. It sure as hell wasn't, "Man, "Ice, Ice Baaby" is so classic".

That's why Suge and them slapped him around.

He had no respect and has never had any respect.

Vanilla Ice is considered historically, the least respected rapper of all-time and you're telling me he's got "classic records".

Just stop.

There's no reason for me to waste anymore energy on a nikka who probably thinks "Rico Suave" is a classic record.

 

[Taadow]

So you a Mexican?

No - i'm Black. So flush the rest of that post down the toilet.

This illustrates your problem here. You keep assuming chit. Stop it.

 

[BronxFleeZ]

Rest In Peace

 

[alpo]

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[jensyao]

any new solves? RIP everybody